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Author Topic: FT8 DX mode  (Read 7904 times)
K0UA
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« Reply #75 on: April 13, 2018, 01:50:49 PM »

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There were some automatically controlled RTTY stations that operated this way in the past



I remember one in the past, called "Gaut-mail" I think.  It was a fully automated BBS station in Guatemala.  I checked into it often "back in the day" This was late 70's I think.  It was fun, and there was information and mail on the BBS you could select and "download'. You had to hit the frequency pretty precisely of course.
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N1UR
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« Reply #76 on: April 13, 2018, 04:21:07 PM »

The ARRL comment was made directly to me by the editor of the ARRL Letter.

Ed  N1UR
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« Reply #77 on: April 13, 2018, 04:33:36 PM »

Hpw cu on CW some day, yes?

FB OM CUL

Actually, The ARRL was keeping an eye on that robot and their opinion, which I agree with, is that if it entered US territorial waters, it would in fact be an illegal operation.  Which is why they have not mentioned it in the ARRL Letter.

I'm surprised that the location of the buoy, in or out of US waters, would make a difference.  It was launched from Hawaii and it's signing a US call, which seems like it's implying the creators regard it as operating under US regulations.  But I'm not a lawyer.
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« Reply #78 on: April 13, 2018, 06:06:22 PM »

Actually, The ARRL was keeping an eye on that robot and their opinion, which I agree with, is that if it entered US territorial waters, it would in fact be an illegal operation.  Which is why they have not mentioned it in the ARRL Letter.

However when I looked at its course a few weeks ago, it looked like it would be lucky to find Mexico at this point.  No idea what Mexico's rules are on such things.

Ed  N1UR

If the ARRL are not behind that water borne drone FT8 operation, they are idiots. 

If they bothered to read about it, they'd know it was under full control at all time, and the ham radio robot was only a 'passenger', not its primary mission.

I was one of the people who worked her, and it was one of the most interesting things I have done of late on Ham radio.

If the ARRL don't support such cool projects, they are idiots.  Shame on them for not drawing attention to interesting and unique endeavours within our hobby.

Please read about it here and before blindly 'hating' on it:
http://www.jrfarc.org/hf-voyager/

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« Reply #79 on: April 13, 2018, 06:17:16 PM »

If the ARRL are not behind that water borne drone FT8 operation, they are idiots. 

Well, we don't know that what we've heard is the official ARRL position, if indeed there is one.  Individuals within ARRL can obviously have their own opinions that deviate from the party line.
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« Reply #80 on: April 13, 2018, 06:29:49 PM »

If the ARRL are not behind that water borne drone FT8 operation, they are idiots. 

Well, we don't know that what we've heard is the official ARRL position, if indeed there is one.  Individuals within ARRL can obviously have their own opinions that deviate from the party line.

But it was indeed strange that there was no mention at all about this on the ARRL webpage. Look at the coverage they gave the Canadian C3 WSPR project.

One can ask if they even contacted the people behind the HF Voyager project. The contact info is on the project page.
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« Reply #81 on: April 13, 2018, 10:15:48 PM »

If the ARRL are not behind that water borne drone FT8 operation, they are idiots.  

Well, we don't know that what we've heard is the official ARRL position, if indeed there is one.  Individuals within ARRL can obviously have their own opinions that deviate from the party line.

No they can't.  If you're an ARRL official you must toe the party line or you risk being censured, or having your name removed from a ballot.  Dissent is not allowed.

73,

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« Reply #82 on: April 14, 2018, 12:50:59 AM »

Whatever the ARRL may think, the ocean going wave glider is an amazing project.

Given the cost of this kind of hardware (as I said, read about it), we hams are lucky to even have a chance to work her.

This isn't just some toy boat; the amount of technology that has gone into this project is amazing.
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« Reply #83 on: April 14, 2018, 09:31:36 AM »

Can anyone from JT team explain these to me:

https://sourceforge.net/p/wsjt/wsjt/8457/
https://sourceforge.net/p/wsjt/wsjt/8458/
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https://sourceforge.net/p/wsjt/wsjt/8463/

,which are also included in the official available rc3 source code ??
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« Reply #84 on: April 14, 2018, 09:36:21 AM »

Can anyone from JT team explain these to me:

https://sourceforge.net/p/wsjt/wsjt/8457/
https://sourceforge.net/p/wsjt/wsjt/8458/
&
https://sourceforge.net/p/wsjt/wsjt/8463/

,which are also included in the official available rc3 source code ??

Best to join the DEV list on Sourceforge.

I'm not a programmer, but it could be what you think it is.

Newton's third law.
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KJ4Z
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« Reply #85 on: April 14, 2018, 09:43:56 AM »

Can anyone from JT team explain these to me:

https://sourceforge.net/p/wsjt/wsjt/8457/
https://sourceforge.net/p/wsjt/wsjt/8458/
&
https://sourceforge.net/p/wsjt/wsjt/8463/

,which are also included in the official available rc3 source code ??

Holy moly.  You just got remote-disabled!  By Joe Taylor himself!
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N1UR
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« Reply #86 on: April 14, 2018, 11:39:45 AM »

"Please read about it here and before blindly 'hating' on it:
http://www.jrfarc.org/hf-voyager/"

I don't hate it.  Its interesting.  Just needs to be legal.  No objection to that is there?

I looking at the website - they state that they wrote code to automate the CQ and response functions on FT8.  Why is it that this is great but what was done in Greece is not?  Not sure.  Seems like a double standard to me.

They claim they have a control operator present 24 - 7 although they don't say what the control operator actually does.  Clearly the control operator is not "making Qs" or "hitting enter" after each Q as K1JT wrote the code to do.

If they truly are providing 24 - 7 human oversight to compliance to the rules, then they would not me considered automated digital from my interpretation.  Clearly the ARRL doesn't see it that way for whatever reason.

I think Joe will have his hands full trying to carve out everyone who tries to fully automate the "darn near automated" program that he has written.

73

Ed  N1UR
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