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Author Topic: Compliment or Insult?  (Read 3804 times)
K3UIM
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« on: April 11, 2018, 05:33:02 PM »

I recently was talking to a youngster about the old days of radio (60's) and the topic was troubleshooting rigs.
We covered just about everything and he looked at me and said, "I bet you've forgotten more than a ham of today will ever learn.
I could almost feel a blush coming up and said, "Oh, I don't think so!"
I was "on top of the world" until I realized that everything I've forgotten, would be irrelevant today and not even worth knowing.
  ... sigh ... HI
Charlie, K3UIM
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« Reply #1 on: April 11, 2018, 05:54:50 PM »


Charlie,

I understand your feelings but can't agree with your conclusions!

I've always preached to the younger people that every profession is based upon tried, true and proven building blocks.  

Some things never change and they are the basics.  And, this applies to trouble shooting gear.  The "youngster" gave you one of the best compliments you could ask for!!
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« Reply #2 on: April 11, 2018, 06:45:00 PM »

Well said AXW, I completely agree.
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« Reply #3 on: April 12, 2018, 04:57:27 AM »

Welcome to "senior" status Charlie! Been there for a while now myself. My problem is that I can't remember everything I've forgotten. (I would take it as a compliment BTW). Perceptive kid!
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« Reply #4 on: April 12, 2018, 05:07:24 AM »


I was "on top of the world" until I realized that everything I've forgotten, would be irrelevant today and not even worth knowing.


Memories, god and bad, are never irrelevant.   
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« Reply #5 on: April 12, 2018, 05:13:52 AM »

Four years ago before I retired, I was in the San Diego office, talking with the integrated circuit designers about a transceiver for medical implants. They had no RF experience, and asked why we wanted a cascode MOSFET PA stage. I told them about drain - gate capacity. 'But' said the brightest, 'drain and gate are in antiphase, so it would be negative feedback'. the easy answer was to get somebody's 1955 edition of Terman and show them the math relating to triodes with tuned plate loads and feedback........and why we neutralised triodes. You could see the light dawning.....

Analogue design doesn't seem to be taught these days, and RF even less so. Coupled tuned circuits seem to be considered a black art to be avoided.......As the optician said to me 'Nobody uses radio any more. It's all digital'

So I asked how the digits got to his cellphone if it wasn't radio.....He was a very poor optician, too.

So a lot of that which we learned is still applicable..........even if it isn't taught these days.
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« Reply #6 on: April 12, 2018, 05:43:26 AM »

I recently was talking to a youngster about the old days of radio (60's) and the topic was troubleshooting rigs.
We covered just about everything and he looked at me and said, "I bet you've forgotten more than a ham of today will ever learn.
I could almost feel a blush coming up and said, "Oh, I don't think so!"
I was "on top of the world" until I realized that everything I've forgotten, would be irrelevant today and not even worth knowing.
  ... sigh ... HI
Charlie, K3UIM

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« Reply #7 on: April 12, 2018, 06:13:06 AM »

 Physical laws and fundamentals don't change much over the decades (thank goodness).
 Much of the Hints & Kinks tips in a 50 year-old edition for 'best practices' hasn't changed much over time either.
 I have been taught by some amazing greybeards that I have known about the best procedures in many sciences. Things like how to loosen a rusty bolt without breaking it.  Wink
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« Reply #8 on: April 12, 2018, 11:12:12 AM »

Great stuff.When above poster said greybeard.This came to mind. Have a Joyous and Safe Day. 73s

https://youtu.be/RemBy5yeW8g

Great advice by the way..73s
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« Reply #9 on: April 12, 2018, 11:54:49 AM »

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I was "on top of the world" until I realized that everything I've forgotten, would be irrelevant today and not even worth knowing.

As a guy that spent an awful lot of his time in telecommunications, and thought of myself at one time as one of the best guys around to install, program, and troubleshoot Nortel PBX's.  Uh.. I know what you mean. I still have a lot of wonderful knowledge about these ancient product, and it isn't worth much today to very many people.  There are still some of the old buggers still in use, but not all that many.  I did learn the Avaya IP office product towards the end of my career if that cuts any ice with anyone. Smiley
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« Reply #10 on: April 12, 2018, 01:59:05 PM »

Jello shots helped me forget the APL programming language.
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« Reply #11 on: April 12, 2018, 02:07:13 PM »

I think this discussion reflects the difference between training and education.  It is the nature of most training to eventually go out of date.  Education never does.
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K9MHZ
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« Reply #12 on: April 12, 2018, 02:59:44 PM »

Jello shots helped me forget the APL programming language.
Well done.  Pascal was the rage when I was in school.  Still some FORTRAN holdouts, but Pascal was equally mediocre/stupid for most majors....lots of bulk to get even a simple stress analysis done on an aircraft wing spar, etc.   Kind of reminded you of the government.
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« Reply #13 on: April 12, 2018, 04:15:42 PM »

I worked in an Electronic repair shop in the late 80s thru early 90,s about 3 yrs worth. I fixed microwaves mostly door switches and from time to time a magnetron and changing a fuse was called repairing power supply 35 thru 50 dollar charge.At this shop I learned the concept of writing up a bill to make rhe customer feel beter. I also repaired/cleaned vcrs twice i changed a crt tube in a console tv pain in the rear all went by the way if doo-doo bird.You now throw away and replace.Have a Joyous Day be safe.73s

I also took care of the front room where customers would drop off and pick up there stuff what an experiance that was dealing with upset customers.There was one time a very upset customer was yelling he wanted to see the owner I told him he was not in he opened up his shirt to make sure I seen his gun.About a month later I quit .73s
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« Reply #14 on: April 12, 2018, 05:31:42 PM »

I recently was talking to a youngster about the old days of radio (60's) and the topic was troubleshooting rigs.
We covered just about everything and he looked at me and said, "I bet you've forgotten more than a ham of today will ever learn.
I could almost feel a blush coming up and said, "Oh, I don't think so!"
I was "on top of the world" until I realized that everything I've forgotten, would be irrelevant today and not even worth knowing.
  ... sigh ... HI
Charlie, K3UIM

Naaa
I've used that statement myself many times when some youngster with no experience tries to impress me with how much he doesn't know about RF and electronics repair.
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