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Author Topic: Amps...Are they a MUST for HF ???  (Read 20178 times)
K6AER
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« Reply #165 on: July 14, 2018, 04:26:49 PM »

I love Corgies. I have a Norbotten Spitze, It looks like a Corgie but has longer legs.
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W8JX
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« Reply #166 on: July 14, 2018, 08:49:44 PM »


1.  No.  Amplifiers are absoultely NOT needed to enjoy amateur radio and make contacts.


Not quite true. It depends on time of day and band in use and band conditions. They have been many time on 40 during day that the QSO's I enjoyed would not of been possible without a kw on both ends. That being said, it is more correct to say than usually you may not need a amp but there will be times when you absolutely need it.
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K6BRN
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« Reply #167 on: July 14, 2018, 09:32:19 PM »

Eh?
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KM3F
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« Reply #168 on: July 14, 2018, 10:36:24 PM »

Any serious op needs at least 800 watts into a good antenna, at times.
This telling others they don't need it is baloney. When you use it is an inteligent decision to make for the condition.

On the Eastern Pa 80 m traffic net, the stations can't hear each other well enough half the time to pass traffic without constant repeats.  No use to do this if you can't be heard or hear.
Another issue is poor audio.
When I come on, they hear me without any difficulty.
Some are getting the message now.

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YL3GND
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« Reply #169 on: July 15, 2018, 12:10:11 AM »

Serious op..? Are You seriously? Ham radio is a kid's play, nothing more. To keep toys small enough is only thing considered intelligent decision!    Grin
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KM1H
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« Reply #170 on: July 15, 2018, 06:58:57 AM »

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Carl (KM1H):

I stand by my contest comment (personal opinion).  Amps are very handy in contests.  In the ARRL RTTY roundup, there is simply a 150 watts and below class and above 150 watts.  No QRP class.  And its a LOT more fun (especially in this solar down cycle) when TXing over 150 watts in the roundup.  Each to their own.

You made it as a General Statement and not your opinion. Correction accepted Roll Eyes Grin

I also said "major contests". I never considered RTTY as mainstream radio anyway and after working on those original clatter boxes in the USN and later in computer field service I swore Id never own one!
Wayne Green and I used to get into that discussion a lot as we were friends from the time he ran the CQ RTTY Column and we were almost neighbors in Brooklyn. Our last meet was a few weeks before he died.

Carl
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K6BRN
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« Reply #171 on: July 15, 2018, 07:28:13 AM »

Hi Carl:

Criminey!  Everything on these forums is an opinion.  This is... amateur ... radio.... right?  Or are you going to ding me for spelling again?  You've been following Glen too much (xxxIQ)  Cheesy

Brian - K6BRN
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KM1H
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« Reply #172 on: July 15, 2018, 02:58:02 PM »

I dont remember dinging anyone for spelling and Im far from perfect...dont put me in his category!!
I also dont bother with punctuations which drives one person up the wall.

Carl
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N9AOP
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« Reply #173 on: July 15, 2018, 05:25:53 PM »

THAT'S OK CARL, I PREFER TO USE ALL CAPS.
aRT
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K0IZ
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« Reply #174 on: July 15, 2018, 05:50:40 PM »

Maybe getting late on this blog, but:  18ft high (center) and 7ft ends is a very low antenna for HF.  Most of your signal is warming clouds overhead.  If you can get center up to about 34ft or so, and ends 20 some, the angle of best radiation (especially on 20M and higher) will be MUCH lower.  Will help on both receive and transmit.  I did the plots on 20M.   At almost any angle below 40 degrees, the higher antenna is about 4db better.  Makes 100 watts sound like more than 200. 
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K5ML
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« Reply #175 on: July 21, 2018, 05:27:55 PM »

Yes, get an amp, especially if you can't significantly improve your antenna situation. If you are strapped for cash, pick up a used amp that runs at least 1 KW out, key down. Also, get a 240 V. line run into the shack if you don't have one. It will markedly increase the amount of DX you work and you will have quicker success in pileups working the rare ones.

 I live in an HOA community with serious antenna restrictions and speak from experience. My first Amp from HOA land was a used Collins 30L-1 with four 8-11's. Ran about 700W out. Second amp was a used Ameritron AL-82 that ran 1500 W. out. Saw a significant difference in results even though the theoretical difference is only about 3 db.  If you don't have gain at the top of a tower, having gain in the shack will be a tremendous help.
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KB2E
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« Reply #176 on: July 28, 2018, 07:01:08 AM »



Pointing out you can work DX with a new digital mode is about as exciting as taking a date out to dinner to Mc Donald's.

The same could be said about working DX with CW. These days there isn't much excitement in DX in any mode except working the occasional DXpedition or very rare DX. I was pretty excited to work Baker/Howland Island this month SSB.  But these days it's a signal report and gone. I remember when I was a kid and conditions were much better we'd rag chew with DX stations a bit. Now even the common stations are piled onto like a hungry man competing for food. I remember talking to the King of Jordan for nearly 30 minutes. Now you'd be lucky to be able to hear your signal report over the lids who can't stop giving their call continuously. What these dopes don't get is that some stations and DXpeditions have a DO NOT RESPOND policy for these lids. Once they start doing that they'll never be answered. Then there's the people who can't figure out what up 5 means and couldn't figure out how to run split if their life depended on it. So 1500 watts and you can't hear what the other guy is saying to you anyway because there's some idiot on the receive freq with the same 1500 continually calling! You should have to have a license endorsement to run QRO! 
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« Reply #177 on: July 28, 2018, 01:02:54 PM »

Last winter (their summer) there was an operator at the South Pole who would alternate between ragchewing and running pileups.  If he felt like ragchewing he would tell his contact partners not to spot him on the DX spotting networks.

Zak W1VT
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K0UA
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« Reply #178 on: July 29, 2018, 10:11:11 AM »


1.  No.  Amplifiers are absoultely NOT needed to enjoy amateur radio and make contacts.


Not quite true. It depends on time of day and band in use and band conditions. They have been many time on 40 during day that the QSO's I enjoyed would not of been possible without a kw on both ends. That being said, it is more correct to say than usually you may not need a amp but there will be times when you absolutely need it.

I would say it boils down to much of the time you do not need an amp especially on the upper bands. But when you need an amp, the guys without one will not be making the contact and the ones with an amp will be.

In other words you don't need an amp until you need one.  Then you need one.  I don't have have one.  I have never had one.  But the thousands of times that I have watched the guys with amps make the contact when I couldn't gives one pause. Smiley

Of course this assumes you have put all the money and time into your antenna systems as you can possibly do. There are limits. If you are up against your personal antenna limits, then if you want more, then get an amp.
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« Reply #179 on: July 29, 2018, 11:19:01 AM »

HYC:  CONGRATULATIONS! 

You asked a question on a subject that has garnered over 10,000 "hits."  In other words you can be credited with creating one of the largest pissing contests ever, on eHam! 

It suddenly occurred to me that eHam makes its money by drying, grinding up and sacking all of this BS and selling it to farm co-ops!

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