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Author Topic: Upgrading (?) from a 7410 for a new 7300??  (Read 4259 times)
K3LUE
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« on: June 20, 2018, 08:53:04 AM »

Hello all,
THis topic was visited several months ago to a limited extent. Time has come and gone....today, after users of the 7300 have had to time really dig into this rig, is it work selling my 7410 and upgrading to a new 7300?
73 Ron
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HAMFESTS
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« Reply #1 on: June 20, 2018, 11:09:29 AM »

Hi Ron,

You should post this in Station Building or Software Defined Radio topics. You may get more responses.

I have  a 7300 and it's nice. But I suggest playing with one at a nearby ham's house or ham radio store first. Each radio has it's pros and cons.

Also use youtube to view how the radio sounds and works. See if anyone did a comparison on youtube.

73

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KC8Y
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« Reply #2 on: June 20, 2018, 01:03:49 PM »

Ron:

I've never owned the ic-7300, but had the ic-7410 for about 4-years.

Operated, mostly on digital (with CW at times) and had all the filters in it Smiley   I regret trading it away Sad
The rig performed super in receiving & transmiting.  Wish, I still had it.

Never had the ic-7300, so don't have any remarks about its performance.

Ken KC8Y
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VK5CQ
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« Reply #3 on: August 01, 2018, 05:18:30 AM »

So, there's an ICOM-produced, 3-column, comparative feature table - in a PDF - covering several SDR's, incl'g IC-7300.

If IC-7410's features are in another of its column, your Q will be easier to answer.

If not, perhaps some Ham gear suppliers' web sites, that give you the ability to compare the features of several radios. Just select IC-7410 & IC-7300, & click on Compare to make similar feature tables... & Bob's your uncle! ;~)
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K7JQ
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« Reply #4 on: August 01, 2018, 03:54:23 PM »

I had a 746...sold it for a 746PRO (better)...then sold it for a 756PROIII (better)...then sold it for a 7600 (better). Had the 7600 for seven years and 7300 for two years together. After comparing and operating both for the last two years, I just sold the 7600. My main operation is contesting, so both were really put through their paces, and the 7300 won. Don't discount the value of a fast, real-time bandscope/waterfall...great operating conveniences. The 7410, while a good radio, doesn't have one. The 7410 is discontinued and only available used, generally for $750-$900. The 7300 new with a warranty is $1,049 after rebates, less if used. Although larger with a lot of knobs the 7410 doesn't do anything more than the 7300 (7300 actually has more features), and the 7410 is lower on Sherwood's receiver list. My opinion...good luck.

73,  Bob K7JQ
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K0UA
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« Reply #5 on: August 01, 2018, 09:32:49 PM »

I had a 746...sold it for a 746PRO (better)...then sold it for a 756PROIII (better)...then sold it for a 7600 (better). Had the 7600 for seven years and 7300 for two years together. After comparing and operating both for the last two years, I just sold the 7600. My main operation is contesting, so both were really put through their paces, and the 7300 won. Don't discount the value of a fast, real-time bandscope/waterfall...great operating conveniences. The 7410, while a good radio, doesn't have one. The 7410 is discontinued and only available used, generally for $750-$900. The 7300 new with a warranty is $1,049 after rebates, less if used. Although larger with a lot of knobs the 7410 doesn't do anything more than the 7300 (7300 actually has more features), and the 7410 is lower on Sherwood's receiver list. My opinion...good luck.

73,  Bob K7JQ

I agree with this,.  I have had most of the radios except the 7600 as shown above. Swapped the 756pro3 in for another 7300.  I already had one. I hate to say it but the 7300 is superior to the 756pro3. Crazy as that sounds.  $2700 radio for a $1049 radio.  Yeah. I will never buy another "blind" radio. Does that about cover it?
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« Reply #6 on: August 02, 2018, 11:36:59 AM »

I have both.  I love the 7410 (grossly under rated).  Has a great receiver and great functionality.  Display is LCD, would prefer a TFT.  Same receiver as the 7600 and 7700.
The 7300 is way more SDR, meaning, you have to pull up a function to adjust it in many cases.  No rcv antenna port (sad), but plays nicely.  Display is small but you can use it.  So both are totally useable and functional and about the same price used.  Really depends what you want.  I don't care much for menus and looking for functions, but you still have to grab a knob on the other to make adjustments.  So there...no real answer for you...LOL
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KB8UUZ
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« Reply #7 on: August 02, 2018, 12:07:17 PM »

If you want to have a Receive Only Input connection for the IC-7300 - take a look at this INRAD kit: https://www.dxengineering.com/parts/inr-rx7300
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K4EZD
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« Reply #8 on: August 02, 2018, 12:34:15 PM »

I asked this very question in December of 2016 and there was no strong consensus for me to move to a 7300.  I still have the 7410 and am still satisfied with the rig except for the fact that sadly for me its resale value plummeted.   Sad
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« Reply #9 on: August 02, 2018, 07:39:48 PM »

I asked this very question in December of 2016 and there was no strong consensus for me to move to a 7300.  I still have the 7410 and am still satisfied with the rig except for the fact that sadly for me its resale value plummeted.   Sad

I would not let its loss of resale value bother you. A 7410 is still a nice rig to own and use.
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« Reply #10 on: August 03, 2018, 05:27:43 AM »

I have a 7410, 7300, R8600 and FT-818ND, plus other, and have at various times tried then on A/B switch. Those mentioned are newish.

Icom are addressing alternative markets and interest is my guess. You may need to work out what you are wanting to upgrade.
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« Reply #11 on: August 14, 2018, 11:50:16 AM »

The 7410 is a very good radio, the RX section is on par with the 7600 but when the bands get jam packed during contest time or when the propagation improves that is were you separate the men from the boys, also on low band DXing but if you just want a little dxing and rag chewing they are both fine radio's.
Back about almost a year I had owned a FTDX3000 since 2013 which had most of the features I liked and with a second SDR RX I could put up a nice pan display on the stations computer then I bought a 7300 for a back up radio and that is were the trouble started. I compared the 7300 against the 3000, over and over again on SSB and CW and yes I heard all the stories about SDR radio's overloading and all the wives tales that they could not handle strong near by stations. Well after 3 months time the 3000 became the backup rig and the 7300 was the main go to radio, if you wanted to DX it had better adjacent channel selectivity then the 3000, the NR and NB were a cut above and even in contest it bested the 3000 on SSB on 75m with all the big signals around 30-40 over this puppy could copy the weak guys. I thought the 3000 was good but the 7300 radio performed plus the very low phase noise levels of it RX and better RMD numbers could easily be picked up between the two. As far as the SDR overload was concerned the RF gain on the 7300 is no were like the traditional RF gain controls like in superhet rigs, its like a fine adjustable attenuator instead, you just add maybe 3 to 6db less of signal and you could handle almost anything even a ham down the street who runs 1.2Kw out on the same band, the yaesu would have to be at least 10khz up or down were the Icom could be less than 5khz. If all you do is ragchew then again both would do fine but hear again when signals on the band get strong the little 7300 just performs.
I did sell the Yaesu and also a few months ago the 7300 only because I wanted a second RX and some more performance features so I did jump up the Icom ladder to the 7610 but someday soon I just might add another 7300 to the fold, its that good plus once you get the hang of using the SDR receiver you will realize they are really that good!
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VR2AX
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« Reply #12 on: August 15, 2018, 11:32:00 PM »

Agree the comment about the 7300 attenuator. Here S9 plus 30-40 are almost unheard of on any ham band. Max usually plus 20, when the bands are really open, mainly Japan, some Taiwan, Thailand. For plus 30-40 or more, testing has to be on the broadcast bands. Here's my recent experience listening to the BBC from Singapore on 9410 (250kw, 1600 miles), trying to contend with Radio China Taiwan (500kw, 500 miles), on 9405.

R8600 - absolute magic. Separate 10, 20, 30db attenuators, plus RF Gain from 100% to 0%, plug and play, not to mention Synch AM reception on either sideband or double sideband.

7300 - good but not quite as good as the R8600. Even playing with attenuator and RF gain, can't totally eliminate the overload. Seems very slightly more hiss on receive than the R8600.

7410 - more prone to overload with everything turned up but careful adjusting of RF gain and attenuator effective. NB and NR less effective than the SDR radios.

On the ham bands, at signal levels here, the main disadvantage of the 7410, for me, is the inability to see quite weak signals on the screen, the majority of signals being only slightly above the noise under typical conditions. Compared to the R8600 and 7300, it feels a bit like you are flying blind. But having found the signal on the screen radios, tune the 7410 to that frequency, and I find I can receive anything on the 7410 that I can receive on the other radios. Of course, there may be slight variations in manufacture between the same model of radio, and mileages may vary.

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