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Author Topic: FCC blacklist radios  (Read 2248 times)
WB8PFZ
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« on: August 31, 2018, 02:59:35 PM »

I have had my add for a President 2600 10 meter radio kicked off Ebay twice. Is there a FCC blacklist somewhere. I get that these can be modified for CB but really. Guns can kill people but places still sell them? Mike
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« Reply #1 on: August 31, 2018, 09:28:22 PM »

Yeah, I think the FCC has a list of radios they don't like, and both the HR2510 and HR2600 are on it... 

Supposedly the criteria is that they are "easily modifiable" to work on CB frequencies.  In the case of the 2510, it's true - IIRC, opening up a particular ground trace to the CPU opens it up.  The 2600, on the other hand, is a lot harder; to get it to work on CB frequencies requires an aftermarket CPU transplant (called a ChipSwitch, I think).  Replacing a 64-pin / .060 pin spacing CPU is not what I'd term an easy modification, but some FCC functionary probably decided there was no functional difference between the two, and put the 2600 on the list.

As I understand it, radios on the list are not permitted in commercial sale, but private transactions are permitted; however, eBay finds it easiest to just abide with the FCC ban on commercial sales.
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WB8PFZ
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« Reply #2 on: September 01, 2018, 05:26:26 AM »

Crazy, at any time I can find more CB amps than amateur amps and they are going after a 20 watt radio. Proper use of tax payer funds?
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« Reply #3 on: September 01, 2018, 06:32:47 AM »

ILLEGAL CB TRANSCEIVER LIST
https://swap.qth.com/fcc/fcc-cbtable2.htm
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« Reply #4 on: September 01, 2018, 07:34:02 AM »

I own a 2510  I have had it for more than 20 years. Wow Really most radios out there are modifiable Really and with you tube it is easy.. I do not see a problem with the modifying. You own it.  Radio companies design it so you can modify the radio so why not as long as you do not transmit illegally.  The F.C.C. must have some W.T.T.C. members working there. F.C.C=$$$$$$. Follow the $$. Everyone Have a Very Very Safe Weekend.. Just my onion.. Keeping it real. Nuff Said...

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ND6M
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« Reply #5 on: September 01, 2018, 09:34:39 AM »

Well, I don't have a dog in this fight.

I don't own any CB transmitters, however, it seems that that list is about 16 +/- years old.

I have heard that the manufacturers of the Ranger radios enjoined the FCC in a law suit, and the FCC lost.
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WB8PFZ
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« Reply #6 on: September 01, 2018, 09:37:02 AM »

I am surprised they let people sell Drake equipment. All you need is the correct crystal and you have a nice high powered station. Oh well. Mike
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K9MHZ
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« Reply #7 on: September 01, 2018, 11:00:02 AM »

It's the same for the FT-101 and especially the Tempo One FT-200 "ham radio."  Different eras, but if you turn on a solid state no-tune synthesized rig....presto, instant freebanding, no fuss, no muss.  Their costs, even adjusted, were far less than converted ham gear, so their numbers were plentiful.
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K9MHZ
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« Reply #8 on: September 01, 2018, 11:02:52 AM »

I do not see a problem with the modifying.

What a surprise.
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K8AXW
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« Reply #9 on: September 01, 2018, 11:11:15 AM »

"Easily modified ham radios to CB or other frequencies" is a joke!  Some bear and deer hunters (not counting the truckers) have their radios modified for their own use outside the ham bands. 

I had my old TH-79A HT "opened up" by simply removing one a couple SMT resistors!  (My bad, my mistake - It was one of those moments like, "Here, hold my beer and watch this!")
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« Reply #10 on: September 01, 2018, 11:56:13 AM »


If say a TS-450S 100 watt transceiver is modified to transmitt on C.B. frequencies, you now have a 100 watt C.B. radio.

Thou shalt use more than 4 watts A.M., 12 watt S.S.B. in the citizen's band service.

So the easier this can be not  done, the shier eBay and others are to providing the avenue to sell it. It's a legal thing. Not hard folks.

Kraus

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« Reply #11 on: September 01, 2018, 05:41:40 PM »


If say a TS-450S 100 watt transceiver is modified to transmitt on C.B. frequencies, you now have a 100 watt C.B. radio.

Thou shalt use more than 4 watts A.M., 12 watt S.S.B. in the citizen's band service.

So the easier this can be not  done, the shier eBay and others are to providing the avenue to sell it. It's a legal thing. Not hard folks.

Kraus



So what you are saying is you have no factual idea.  Just your opinion.  Which in this case is incorrect.

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WD4ED
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« Reply #12 on: September 01, 2018, 05:54:09 PM »

I have had my add for a President 2600 10 meter radio kicked off Ebay twice. Is there a FCC blacklist somewhere. I get that these can be modified for CB but really. Guns can kill people but places still sell them? Mike

Isn’t that nuts? You can buy radios new and used, on eBay that don’t even need modification to operate just about anywhere!

I agree with others.  This list is old and probably represented a timeframe when the FCC may have actually cared.  But there it is, a “zombie” and eBay enforces it to be safe.

And BTW guns don’t kill people... :-)

Ed
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N8YX
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« Reply #13 on: September 01, 2018, 11:17:38 PM »


If say a TS-450S 100 watt transceiver is modified to transmitt on C.B. frequencies, you now have a 100 watt C.B. radio.

Thou shalt use more than 4 watts A.M., 12 watt S.S.B. in the citizen's band service.
In this case, the 4w high-level-modulated CB set sounds hella better than the Kenwood does on exalted carrier AM.
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W6EM
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« Reply #14 on: September 02, 2018, 07:43:31 PM »

Why isn't the old Heathkit VF-1 VFO on the "list?"
https://www.google.com/search?biw=1242&bih=574&tbm=isch&sa=1&ei=Ep6MW8qoG47q_Ab5_pH4Aw&q=heathkit+vf-1+11+meters&oq=heathkit+vf-1+11+meters&gs_l=img.3...34546.39123..39620...0.0..0.64.596.10......1....1..gws-wiz-img.......0i30j0i24.LFL4Z30uFKU#imgrc=yN-H2o3uixVI_M:

Plug and play on 11 meters.
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