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Author Topic: Newbie looking for advice  (Read 4492 times)
KM6XP
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« Reply #45 on: October 07, 2018, 09:21:17 PM »

Yep I will update it,  it was a great day until I get my neighbor complaining about the temporary Mast and tiny wire, OMG.  I have no HOA in my neighborhood, I made the mistake of telling my neighbor I got my ticket a couple weeks ago and was going to experiment with some antennas so if they saw the mast on my side of the fence that’s what’s going on.  She asked will it mess up my TV, I said no, but please let me know is any issue.  I get a call tonight with her telling me her tv has cut up 4 times tonight, I tell her, well I have not been on the radio since 1pm.   She then complains about the temp mast and asked why it can’t be located on the other side of the house and her friend told her to get an atty, I’m like what???  I advised I am waiting for my temp mast which I’ll lower the wire when not in use.  I said well, I can go with option 2 and put up a 40 ft tower and beam if you like, I thought this would be the better of the 2 options.

Wow, 20 years here never an issue with her, I do the right thing as usual and tell her what I am doing so there are no surprises,  wow, no good deed goes unpunished.

Well it was a good HAM day until tonight.

Wow, I guess I will get to meet the FCC within a couple weeks of getting my license, lol.
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« Reply #46 on: October 08, 2018, 06:54:41 AM »

Hmmm.  I think you're going to be just fine, anyway.  You are doing NOTHING illegal, and the FCC has better things to do than look at your station.  Alos, no attorney will take her business on contingency, because there are no monetary damages, nor will there be.  So your neighbor will have to put out $250+ per hour to really retain one.  Godd luck to her.  Probably not going to happen.

However, you should start keeping a log of your contacts.  One that shown who you have been having QSOs with, at what time (UTC), on what band and mode, and at what power level.  Great to havewhen people begin complaining, because you can correlate your log entries against their complaints to see if they track in any way.

A neighbor once complained that her cat was acting crazy because of my transmissions.  So this stuff happens.  But in your case - no HOA, you are on private property, the antenna is modest with no tower - not much to worry about.

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« Reply #47 on: October 08, 2018, 10:06:41 AM »

Thanks, yes I wrote down the QSOs from yesterday, I think I will pick up a log book.

I took the temp mast down today, just left the antenna on top of the fence, once I get the max gain mast I will put it back up.  

Crazy people,  heck I was so pissed off last night I told my wife I am putting up a small tower and beam, lol.  You want to complain, lol.

Oh I guess I should complain about her direct tv dish that I have to see in my backyard, unbelievable. 
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« Reply #48 on: October 08, 2018, 09:13:26 PM »

Just hang a small wash cloth on the wire and call it a clothesline.
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« Reply #49 on: October 09, 2018, 05:42:36 PM »

Thank for the support but I contacted my city building department and spoke with the planning and ordnance folks.  Looks like I am 100% legit,  their is a height limit of 50 feet for a HAM antenna and there is no setback regulations so I could put up a 50 foot tower with a huge Yagi right my property line.  Oh come to find out when she did her remodel 20 years ago before I lived here she also encroached onto my lot by almost 2ft, and did an addition, with requires a minimum 5 ft setback from the property line. I measured today, it’s only 4 feet, and accounting for the encroachment, it’s 2 feet, (see photos I thread).  I have a feeling these antenna complaints are going to go away, lol.  City said if I want to push it she will need to correct this.

For once the city regs are supporting me. 

I am moving forward with my antenna, and will try to keep the peace.


Back to Station building talk.
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« Reply #50 on: October 09, 2018, 05:50:18 PM »

Be careful with your neighbor issue. Many states have an "adverse use" law. This generally permits a non-owner to claim the deed to property on which they have continuously infringed for a prescribed period - generally 10 to 20 years. If such a law applies in your jurisdiction, she could take action if pushed.

- Glenn W9IQ
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« Reply #51 on: October 09, 2018, 06:40:36 PM »

I hear you, I am not planing on going to war, never did.  I plan on putting my antenna up am moving on with life.
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« Reply #52 on: October 14, 2018, 10:24:57 AM »

So passed my General yesterday, pissed that missed 1 question as I studied pretty hard for that one, oh well, it’s done.   So I have been on 40m and made several contacts, seems I can only hear many stations, and I can make contact with the ones I hear, but I hear QSOs happening but only hear one station, wondering how I can improve the “ears”. 

Currently I have my efhf 4010, in a temp setup, transformer box at 6’ and the other end is only about 16 ft up as a sloper.  My max gain mast should be here next week and I a, gonna get that up next weekend.  That will get the peak of the antenna up to 20-25’.   Still wondering whether a sloper vs inverted V would work better.   My antenna is set up East/West, with the East end being the higher side.

Thx
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« Reply #53 on: October 16, 2018, 07:01:23 AM »

Congratulations on passing your General!
"I can make contact with the ones I hear" -> That's sounds like the corollary to, "If I can hear 'em, I can work 'em". Smiley
Seriously, it's difficult with only one antenna that you cannot rotate easily. You could try another orientation or consider adding another wire at right angles to the first one. I'm limited with attic dipoles but was able to put up a couple up with somewhat differing angles. Nevertheless, sometimes I only hear half of the QSO, or one side is very weak. It's not that uncommon.
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« Reply #54 on: October 16, 2018, 09:26:50 AM »

Yes, I can hear a lot of conversations going on but I can only hear one of the two operators.

I have been able to make contacts in Fl, SC, GA, AZ, WA, and some short hops to Northern CA on this compromise antenna on 10 and 40m.   I will get the high end of the antenna up another 10 ft and hopefully that will help.  I hear ya on different antennas, sort of makes it a challenge to get the right set up and make those dx contacts on minimal equipment.
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« Reply #55 on: October 17, 2018, 08:25:59 PM »

Only hearing one side of a QSO with two stations is normal.  For instance lets use an example of say you are in California and using 20 meters and you hear a W2 station in New york, in QSO with another W6 station also in California.  Depending on where the other W6 station is located in relation to your station you will likely NOT be able to hear him at all or perhaps very weakly from either ground wave or backscatter.  The skip zone on 20 meters is often 500 miles or more and you may not be able to hear others in some adjacent states either.  You will have the joy of learning all about propagation and which bands are open to the areas you want to work and when they are open.  It can take years to figure all of this out and even then you will learn new things every day about propagation. This is actually part of the fun.

Lay people think that if you have an antenna it radiates equally in all directions for a specific range and also receives stations withing that range.  Nothing could be further from the truth. People will often ask you "how far can you talk on that thing"  The best answer you could possibly give is "anywhere in the world"  That is about as accurate as you can get.  Because under certain conditions you can actually talk to the other side of the world, and at other times on some frequencys, you would be hard pressed to talk much over 10 miles.

We could talk for hours about propagation modes and how they affect different bands.  And if you want to do that give me a call and I will do my best.  Smiley

73 and happy learning   James K0UA
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« Reply #56 on: October 17, 2018, 09:27:32 PM »

Thanks for the tip!  Yes it can be a challenge and that’s what makes this fun. 
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« Reply #57 on: October 29, 2018, 08:28:47 PM »

Only hearing one side of a QSO with two stations is normal.  For instance lets use an example of say you are in California and using 20 meters and you hear a W2 station in New york, in QSO with another W6 station also in California.  Depending on where the other W6 station is located in relation to your station you will likely NOT be able to hear him at all or perhaps very weakly from either ground wave or backscatter.  The skip zone on 20 meters is often 500 miles or more and you may not be able to hear others in some adjacent states either.  You will have the joy of learning all about propagation and which bands are open to the areas you want to work and when they are open.  It can take years to figure all of this out and even then you will learn new things every day about propagation. This is actually part of the fun.

Lay people think that if you have an antenna it radiates equally in all directions for a specific range and also receives stations withing that range.  Nothing could be further from the truth. People will often ask you "how far can you talk on that thing"  The best answer you could possibly give is "anywhere in the world"  That is about as accurate as you can get.  Because under certain conditions you can actually talk to the other side of the world, and at other times on some frequencys, you would be hard pressed to talk much over 10 miles.

We could talk for hours about propagation modes and how they affect different bands.  And if you want to do that give me a call and I will do my best.  Smiley

73 and happy learning   James K0UA

James, well your response was right on.  On Saturday I was hitting Argentina and other far Southern S. American countries on 10m and hitting Canada and the East Coast all day on 40 and 20m.  Sunday I changed the antenna from a 6’-15’ sloper (running East West, high end facing East).  I configured the same Antenna as an inverted V, running the same E/W with the apex at 28ft, and the bottom of the V at 6ft. Today, got the air, dead!  I heard a few high powered stations but not like Sat.  I must have called CQ 50-100 times, no reply on 20 and 40M.  Made wonder if I was even getting out. Lol!

Here is the Antenna situation, nothing to look at but low profile when I need it to be.  I need to check the angles on the legs, I don’t think I am wider than 120 degrees.

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« Reply #58 on: October 30, 2018, 12:21:35 PM »

Great saga! I'm glad I read through this ... it gave me some ideas for my station! Now I just need to get off my butt & study for my General.
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« Reply #59 on: October 30, 2018, 02:35:25 PM »

Welcome, the General is Well worth the time, I learned a lot more about theory and antennas, and you will have Soooooo much more bandwidth to work with.  I am going back for the Extra in a few months, I wanted to get some practical experience before going there.  I still need to figure out my antenna situation, but that’s part of the the fun, right, lol.
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