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Author Topic: DOXing (publicly identifying) anonymous bad operators  (Read 1313 times)
G3RZP
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« Reply #15 on: November 12, 2018, 08:25:59 AM »

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If the antenna were generally calibrated to within 5 degrees (possible for a home built antenna),

Firstly, you would need to shield it, which adds a complication. Even then, if you get pick up of an E field, you may need a local vertical antenna and add in some zero clearing with a differential variable capacitor. Then you have to calibrate  the whole thing to 5 degree points throughout the whole 360, and the calibrating stations need to be well in the far field. It is also unlikely that if you move the loop physically to somewhere else around the property that the errors will stay the same. The errors change as the loop rotates e.g. the errors for one loop position are not necessarily the same as for another one.

It might prove easier to use a number of ferrite rods taped together to make fairly thick equivalent rod in an aluminium shield - a round pipe with a longitudinal slot so it isn't a shorted turn - although you would have to do some calculations on the relative pick of those compared with a loop. You still have the calibration problem, though. Not as easy taking the ship's boat with a 300kHz low power test oscillator and making a big circle around the ship, with a good visual compass bearing taken to match with the D/F bearing!

The professional monitoring stations these days also give angle of vertical incidence so an estimate of range is obtained.
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K0GV
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« Reply #16 on: November 12, 2018, 08:45:50 AM »

No, not vigilante.  Just support of LE and possibly a public shaming.

LE is stretched thin and it may be that locating these people can help them. Serve them up to LE on a platter and we may get more results.

Also, these people often thrive on anonymity so DOXing takes that away.  They are exposed.

It seems that the status quo, whatever that is, is not working, thus the idea thread and the request for thoughts and good ideas. Thinking about solutions and not wanting to tolerate the status quo any more.

Maybe create with the support of the FCC, ARRL and other interested parties, a system that has some enforcement teeth. In lieu of that, use social media to DOX these folks and see if that has an impact.

One question is technical on the best way to DF these bad Ops, the other moral as to the question of DOXing.
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« Reply #17 on: November 12, 2018, 09:34:51 AM »

 
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Just support of LE and possibly a public shaming.

LE is stretched thin and it may be that locating these people can help them. Serve them up to LE on a platter and we may get more results.


What Law Enforcement are you referring to?  The FCC?  Federal Marshall's?  Local Police?  WHAT?

You have got to be kidding!  What law enforcement agency do you think you would report someone to that would act?

Are you a new ham? Do you actually think that reporting someone to the FCC for vulgar speech would actually result in a fine and conviction?
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KB2CRK
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« Reply #18 on: November 12, 2018, 10:45:23 AM »

 
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Just support of LE and possibly a public shaming.

LE is stretched thin and it may be that locating these people can help them. Serve them up to LE on a platter and we may get more results.


What Law Enforcement are you referring to?  The FCC?  Federal Marshall's?  Local Police?  WHAT?

You have got to be kidding!  What law enforcement agency do you think you would report someone to that would act?

Are you a new ham? Do you actually think that reporting someone to the FCC for vulgar speech would actually result in a fine and conviction?

It has been known to happen. The FCC does not worry about a conviction
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some people are like slinky's. not really good for anything but still bring a smile to your face when you push them down a flight of stairs.
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« Reply #19 on: November 13, 2018, 01:13:34 AM »

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The FCC does not worry about a conviction

Are they not supposed to take that into account when determining if someone is a 'fit person' to hold a licence? Although apparently that didn't apply to Don Miller....
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K0GV
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« Reply #20 on: November 13, 2018, 09:17:19 AM »

Thanks all!

The response by PM has been awesome.  Glad to see so many Hams care about clearing the bands of lid Ops.

Maybe we can make a difference. In any event it will be fun to test simple technology for DF!

73,

K0GV

P.S. While there is a lot of discussion, the majority consensus concerning DOXing is, yes - do it.  Bad ops don't deserve anonymity.
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« Reply #21 on: November 13, 2018, 10:12:25 AM »

Thanks all!

The response by PM has been awesome.  Glad to see so many Hams care about clearing the bands of lid Ops.

Maybe we can make a difference. In any event it will be fun to test simple technology for DF!

73,

K0GV

P.S. While there is a lot of discussion, the majority consensus concerning DOXing is, yes - do it.  Bad ops don't deserve anonymity.

Amen
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some people are like slinky's. not really good for anything but still bring a smile to your face when you push them down a flight of stairs.
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