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KI7RS
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« Reply #30 on: November 20, 2018, 09:41:16 AM »

Look no further than most of the threads longer than 3 pages on ham radio forums if you're wondering why the good old days are over.  Did I mention I got my extra before I learned CW, and I own a Baofang?Huh  I have met so many great helpful hams in person, but the forums are the most spiteful forums I have seen in all of my hobbies.  It doesn't matter what the initial topic is about it usually degrades into grammar correction, and shaming people for not learning code.   
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« Reply #31 on: November 20, 2018, 10:00:26 AM »

In defense of the new comers, and I don't happen to be one. I think it cold be said they have an interest in radio and thats a good thing.
Things change, I don't like it, some cars have no dipstick, have amplified engine noise, no more mechanical levers for heat or air, its all done with a touch screen, and those systems have no upgrades I'm told.
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« Reply #32 on: November 20, 2018, 10:43:36 AM »

Boy, the way Glenn Miller played
Songs that made the Hit Parade
Guys like us, we had it made
Those were the days.

And we all knew Morse Code then...
Lids were lids and men were men...
Mister, we could use a man like H.P Maxim again.

Single Sideband we did hate...
Didn't need no solid state...
Gee, that Viking II worked great...
Those were the da-a-a-a-ays.

Grin
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« Reply #33 on: November 20, 2018, 11:22:31 AM »

I started in 1975 with a shortwave receiver and a Lafayette walkie talkie 1.5 watt 3 chan with a trick stick antenna. On my paper route was Guidemanns Electronic store. Wow those were the days. No Google No Facebook. Everyone please be safe and Enjoy the rest of the holidays. 73s

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K3UIM
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« Reply #34 on: November 20, 2018, 11:26:38 AM »

I get it Charlie and have the same general  "sense" of things.  It's not about the equipment or the modes, but the overall feeling of community - being a part of something that was, for a long time, unique. 
Absolutely correct! It's like when I enlisted in the army in 51, we recruits were all in the same boat, a brotherhood of greenies trying to learn as much as possible in order to get to the ultimate goal: Success. (In the army to win the Korean war and in ham radio to get off the Novice bands to freedom from crystal control and low power.)

Much like an amateur photographer getting rid of the Brownie camera and into a (?). We all, no matter what hobby we enjoy, want to learn as much as we can and be good at whatever it is we're doing.

Charlie, K3UIM
 
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« Reply #35 on: November 20, 2018, 11:51:47 AM »

The only thing I miss about the old days are the surplus shops, they're almost all gone now and all we have are EBay and Mouser/Digikey/Element14.

This is what got me started as a kid, I must have been eight or nine:

https://i.pinimg.com/736x/76/b2/e9/76b2e9f48de23ca931f23ee7d8cb802c.jpg

Peter DL8OV
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« Reply #36 on: November 20, 2018, 01:21:21 PM »

Look no further than most of the threads longer than 3 pages on ham radio forums if you're wondering why the good old days are over.  Did I mention I got my extra before I learned CW, and I own a Baofang?Huh  I have met so many great helpful hams in person, but the forums are the most spiteful forums I have seen in all of my hobbies.  It doesn't matter what the initial topic is about it usually degrades into grammar correction, and shaming people for not learning code.   
Bravo!! Someone had the fortitude to speak the truth!
I have been an Amateur for only 20 years. My newcomer opinion is that the only thing killing this hobby is the old fart mentality.
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« Reply #37 on: November 20, 2018, 03:28:01 PM »

Look no further than most of the threads longer than 3 pages on ham radio forums if you're wondering why the good old days are over.  Did I mention I got my extra before I learned CW, and I own a Baofang?Huh  I have met so many great helpful hams in person, but the forums are the most spiteful forums I have seen in all of my hobbies.  It doesn't matter what the initial topic is about it usually degrades into grammar correction, and shaming people for not learning code.   
Bravo!! Someone had the fortitude to speak the truth!
I have been an Amateur for only 20 years. My newcomer opinion is that the only thing killing this hobby is the old fart mentality.

I think you mean the old hams that worked hard for and earned their tickets vs new one that nearly get them mail order and continue to equate that to ones that really earned them. That dog will never hunt until all the real old school hams are gone. A Extra used to really stand for something and very few ham held them as they were hard to get. Not anymore. If it was this easy 49 years ago I would of started as a Extra in 1969 rather than a Novice.
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« Reply #38 on: November 20, 2018, 04:56:54 PM »

Boy, the way Glenn Miller played
Songs that made the Hit Parade
Guys like us, we had it made
Those were the days.

And we all knew Morse Code then...
Lids were lids and men were men...
Mister, we could use a man like H.P Maxim again.

Single Sideband we did hate...
Didn't need no solid state...
Gee, that Viking II worked great...
Those were the da-a-a-a-ays.

Grin

I can still see Edith Bunker singing that in my minds eye.. Smiley
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WW7KE
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« Reply #39 on: November 20, 2018, 05:40:55 PM »

I think you mean the old hams that worked hard for and earned their tickets vs new one that nearly get them mail order and continue to equate that to ones that really earned them. That dog will never hunt until all the real old school hams are gone.

What a crock!  If it had been possible to get a license by memorizing the written test back in the day, 99% of us would have.  It just wasn't allowed when the test required a trip to the FCC Field Office, uphill, both ways, including a 20 wpm code test -- a requirement that was already beginning to become obsolete in the real world by the late 1970s.  We had the ARRL License Manual and little else for study material, and of course, they didn't copy the tests verbatim.

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A Extra used to really stand for something and very few ham held them as they were hard to get. Not anymore. If it was this easy 49 years ago I would of started as a Extra in 1969 rather than a Novice.

Until Incentive Licensing began in 1967, an Extra and 25 cents would have gotten you a cup of coffee at Denny's.  It was a meaningless license that gained no additional privileges for all the work that was required, plus the 2 years experience as a General (or Advanced, when that class was reinstated). 

They were hard to get, but one could enjoy Amateur Radio with a lower class license just as much then as they can today.  Unless one likes CW DX, or never held an Advanced ticket with its increased phone bands, there is little need for it now, either.

One advantage to having a higher class ham license in those days was in the job market.  An Extra Class license was roughly equivalent in knowledge of electronics to a 2-year Associates Degree in Electronics Technology.  But my ham ticket (Advanced then, as now) only helped me get one job -- in defense electronics because of my RF background.  It didn't matter otherwise.

The only reason to have licenses at all (other than the FCC requiring them, of course) is to make sure all hams have the knowledge to operate their transmitters safely, legally, and without interfering with other services, within the privileges assigned to that class.  Morse Code is obsolete from a technical standpoint.  It is a desirable skill, but has nothing directly to do with operating a transmitter in 2018, so there is no need for a code test today. 

We also do not need to know tube theory, as it is also obsolete unless you just desire to learn it.  But it's not required anymore, since most ham rigs have been 100% solid state for 35-40 years.  Cathode vs Grid Block keying?  Gone the way of the spark gap. Colpitts, Pierce, or Hartley oscillator?  Who gives a crap anymore unless you're into boat anchors.  But it's not necessary to know the difference in the age of synthesizers and modular devices. 

I could go on and on, but I'm afraid that too many bitter old men might have heart attacks when the reality of 2018 confronts them.  I'm an old man myself, approaching 50 years as a ham in another year and a half.  But I refuse to dwell on the past, and do whatever I can to learn new technologies.  I live in the present and work to make the future better, not snivel about how "great" things were decades ago, especially when they weren't.  The past is a nice place to visit (I like the way Glenn Miller played.  Same goes for Chuck Berry and The Beatles), but a very bad place to live.
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« Reply #40 on: November 20, 2018, 05:42:25 PM »

Look no further than most of the threads longer than 3 pages on ham radio forums if you're wondering why the good old days are over.  Did I mention I got my extra before I learned CW, and I own a Baofang?Huh  I have met so many great helpful hams in person, but the forums are the most spiteful forums I have seen in all of my hobbies.  It doesn't matter what the initial topic is about it usually degrades into grammar correction, and shaming people for not learning code.   
Bravo!! Someone had the fortitude to speak the truth!
I have been an Amateur for only 20 years. My newcomer opinion is that the only thing killing this hobby is the old fart mentality.

I think you mean the old hams that worked hard for and earned their tickets vs new one that nearly get them mail order and continue to equate that to ones that really earned them. That dog will never hunt until all the real old school hams are gone. A Extra used to really stand for something and very few ham held them as they were hard to get. Not anymore. If it was this easy 49 years ago I would of started as a Extra in 1969 rather than a Novice.
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Perfect example of Old Fart Mentality.
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« Reply #41 on: November 20, 2018, 06:17:29 PM »

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Perfect example of Old Fart Mentality.

From one of the most useless forum posters and serial trouble makers who was even permanently banned from QRZ. Gee the newest hams must really look up to you..... Grin
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« Reply #42 on: November 20, 2018, 06:23:21 PM »

KM1H: There's one in every group.
… sigh …
Charlie, K3UIM
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« Reply #43 on: November 20, 2018, 07:32:45 PM »

I can still see Edith Bunker singing that in my minds eye.. Smiley

OK, here's the whole thing, vocals properly attributed: Grin

Archie: Boy, the way my dipole swayed
Edith: Receivers Hallicrafters made
Archie: No idea what my rig weighed
Both: Those were the days

Edith: And we all knew Morse CO-O-ODE THE-E-E-E-EN
Archie: Lids were lids and men were men
Both: Mister, we could use a man like H.P Maxim again

Archie: Single Sideband we did hate
Edith: Didn't need no solid state
Both: Gee, that Viking II worked great
Both: Those were the da-a-a-a-ays
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« Reply #44 on: November 20, 2018, 07:59:03 PM »

     I’m really impressed by all the old school hams that still take the time to meet and listen to new hams. The guys that have been hams for 50+ years, and are willing to share that knowledge with us news guys. The hams that never touch a UHF/VHF radio, digital modes, or an SDR radio, but still take five minutes out of their day to listen to the blabbering excitement of a new clueless ham. The hams that are passionate about the hobby, but understand that new people can be overwhelmed with information overload.  The hams that make it a point to walk up to the new guy at the meeting and protect him from the “listen to how great I am” guy.
     The first ham I spoke to in the parking lot on field day asked me what I was looking for in the hobby.  He invited me to his shack and gave me a very basic explanation of the equipment. My CWops instructor invited me along with him to do my first SOTA activation next week.  Both of these guys have been hams for almost 40 years, and they’ve never once mentioned how great the hobby used to be.    
    
  The hams that realize that humans didn’t hit some mythical intelligence cap in the 1950’s.  The hams that take the time post really helpful knowledge on these forums.  The hams that are open minded to new technology, but also pass along a healthy skepticism.  These hams are the ones that I will choose to learn from, and pass that knowledge on to those that come after me.
    
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