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Author Topic: Critical NOAA satellite weather data threatened by FCC 5G proposal  (Read 857 times)
N8FNR
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« on: March 11, 2019, 06:36:17 AM »

"The Federal Communications Commission has proposed policy that could jeopardize the collection of vital information for weather prediction, the heads of the Commerce Department and NASA say.
This data is disseminated across wireless radio frequencies known as “spectrum.” It enables transmission of information from satellites, weather balloons, ocean buoys, weather radars and other technologies that are used by government agencies and the private sector.
But some of this same spectrum is coveted by commercial wireless providers for their next-generation 5G networks. The federal government’s science-focused agencies and the FCC are battling over spectrum policy and its allocation.
The question in this dispute boils down to in essence: What’s the bigger priority — the 5G network for wireless providers or accurate weather forecasts?"

https://www.washingtonpost.com/amphtml/weather/2019/03/08/critical-weather-data-threatened-by-fcc-spectrum-proposal-say-department-commerce-nasa/?fbclid=IwAR3ax4pFkZUEgNCPi81UNbhaKdweo-mfakeZNzxv-QxviQK83CVZH-98ohw
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« Reply #1 on: March 11, 2019, 05:36:17 PM »

You have to remember that it seems that 'wireless providers' seem to believe that any spectrum between 3MHz and 3000GHz  is theirs by right!  Others are allowed in parts of it as a special privilege!.... There are tempts at both ETSI and ITU to fight back....In some bands, there may well be cellular but in some countries where countries have more sense  (but no EU ones because Brussels will not allow it) military radar  will wipe them  out.....

So some of the amateur microwave bands are in grave danger. All so that Dicksh*t#1 can say to  wife/mistress Dicksh*t#2 "I am on the train" or similar....
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« Reply #2 on: March 11, 2019, 10:27:05 PM »

Oh well. Who needs better weather science, and more accurate forecasting, when you can use your cell phone to download more movies per second?
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N8AUC
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« Reply #3 on: March 13, 2019, 05:24:36 PM »

It certainly doesn't help that there is minimal technical expertise on the FCC anymore.
Just a bunch of lawyers who are political appointees.

And to add insult to injury, Ajit Pai, the FCC chairman was legal counsel for Verizon Wireless before managing to get appointed to the FCC.

Can you say "potential conflict of interest"? Good. I knew you could.

The level of stupid in our Federal bureaucracy reaches epic levels more often than not these days.

73 de N8AUC
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« Reply #4 on: March 14, 2019, 02:52:18 PM »

The level of stupid in our Federal bureaucracy reaches epic levels more often than not these days.

IMO, the definition of "epic" as used here simply gets updated every 8-12 years.  Or does anyone else remember the Nixon years?  Carter?  Reagan?
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« Reply #5 on: March 14, 2019, 06:53:49 PM »

And to add insult to injury, Ajit Pai, the FCC chairman was legal counsel for Verizon Wireless before managing to get appointed to the FCC.

Can you say "potential conflict of interest"? Good. I knew you could.


Indeed. And now it's payback time.
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« Reply #6 on: March 14, 2019, 07:00:07 PM »

The only thing that matters anymore is money, and NOAA  won't pay like Verizon or ATT.
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« Reply #7 on: March 14, 2019, 10:00:41 PM »

Fake news. Everyone have a Blessed day and be safe.  73s
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N8FNR
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« Reply #8 on: March 15, 2019, 07:20:10 AM »

Fake news. Everyone have a Blessed day and be safe.  73s

What do you mean fake news? I don't understand this concept. Or is fake because you don't like it?
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« Reply #9 on: March 15, 2019, 09:06:31 AM »

Fake news. Everyone have a Blessed day and be safe.  73s

What do you mean fake news? I don't understand this concept. Or is fake because you don't like it?

When understanding a topic requires effort, some label it fake news. Thinking is hard...
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« Reply #10 on: March 17, 2019, 05:50:45 PM »

Eric (N8AUC),

How do you know that “there is minimal technical expertise on the FCC anymore?”  I’m neither agreeing nor disagreeing with you, because frankly I don’t know. 

Wouldn’t if be fair to say that there are functions that the federal bureaucracies perform very well, some not so well (or poorly), and some in between?  “The level of stupid” in all large organizations can at times and places “reach epic levels.”

I agree that Ajit Pai’s work at Verizon as associate general counsel is of concern.

Dave
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« Reply #11 on: March 17, 2019, 08:22:19 PM »

Eric (N8AUC),

How do you know that “there is minimal technical expertise on the FCC anymore?”  I’m neither agreeing nor disagreeing with you, because frankly I don’t know.  

Wouldn’t if be fair to say that there are functions that the federal bureaucracies perform very well, some not so well (or poorly), and some in between?  “The level of stupid” in all large organizations can at times and places “reach epic levels.”

I agree that Ajit Pai’s work at Verizon as associate general counsel is of concern.

Dave
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The current set of FCC commissioners consists of 4 lawyers, and a former policy analyst from the Republican policy committee.
 None of the current FCC commissioners has any technical background or training whatsoever.

Ajit Pai - Attorney
Michael O'Rielly - Former Policy Analyst for the Republican Policy Committee. Only has a B.A. degree.
Brendan Carr - Attorney
Jessica Rosenworcel - Attorney
Geoffrey Starks - Attorney, and before that a Financial Analyst.

No technical background among any of them. That is what my original statement is based upon.

You can read it for yourself here...

https://www.fcc.gov/about/leadership

73 de N8AUC
Eric

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WB6DNL
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« Reply #12 on: March 17, 2019, 10:41:48 PM »

Eric (N8AUC),

In your initial post you did not indicate that you were referring to FCC commissioners, rather than FCC staff in general. You’re correct that they’re all attorneys except for O’Rielly.

Dave
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« Reply #13 on: March 18, 2019, 03:26:40 PM »

Admittedly, it is about 5 year since I had professional dealings with FCC. But even then, some of their more senior technical staff were privately bemoaning the situation where the level of technical expertise was going down because  there were more economists and lawyers being hired than engineers to replace those who left or retired...

But on the other hand, that is situation with an awful lot of various nationality radio Administrations....
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