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Author Topic: New Pricing on Alpha Amplifiers  (Read 23861 times)
K3WACKY
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« Reply #30 on: April 24, 2008, 01:24:08 PM »

KA5N,

Yes, everything bad that happens in the world is because the code was dropped.

If code was put back, all the people in the world would be fed, everyone would have a job, and we'd be in paradise.

*rolls my eyes* Get a life
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K7PEH
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« Reply #31 on: April 24, 2008, 02:08:27 PM »

On the dollar losing value...

The two top reasons that the dollar is losing value, mainly against the euro but also against other asian currences.  Note, these are reasons but not necessarily the cause of these reasons.

(1)  Interest rates -- the tendency of the US Federal Reserve is to drop interest rates as a means of stimulating the economy.  They only raise the interest rates when there are other threats such as inflation.  What this means is that foreign investors in US dollars are no longer able to get good interest rates so they change currencies and invest in other countries that offer better rates.  Europe almost always lags the US by quite a bit in dropping their interest rates so dropping US dollars in favor of euros is a good thing.  This means that there is a lot of dollars on the international currency markets and this drops the value.

(2)  Currency trades -- there has been a general move away from the dollar by many currency traders.  The causes are complex and I am not even sure what they are from what I have read.  However, this action is just like the interest rate moves mentioned above.  The result is a massive exodus from dollars to euros (for the most part) which means lots of available dollars on the currency market which drops the value.

Also, along with (2) above, since oil is still traded in US dollars, the big Oil countries shed those dollars almost immediately after the transaction is complete.  They move them into Euros mostly.  And, as a result, the same as above, this leaves lots of dollars on the currency market table meaning that the value drops.

And, since there is a shift from dollars to euros (mostly) the euro is in higher demand by currency traders and its value goes up as a result.  Therefore, you have a general upward tic of euro and a downward tic of dollars that increases the spread between them.

So, these the the main reasons that the dollar is actually dropping and unfortunately this also produces a kind of positive feedback to spiral the dollar down even more.

Again, these are the reasons the dollar is dropping but not the cause of those reasons.  

I am not an economist but economics is a big interest of mine so I read alot about it.  There are no secrets here, this is what they teach you in Econ 101 (or, maybe that might be 201).
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N6NKN
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« Reply #32 on: April 24, 2008, 06:59:03 PM »

Those who can afford an Alpha will buy one. Those who can't afford it won't.

Me, I don't need another amplifier.

N6NKN
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N3JBH
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« Reply #33 on: April 25, 2008, 11:11:08 AM »

Well we ranked 179 in the world for GDP real growth !!!
I say we have some thing to really be proud of now...
Listen to what W8JI is telling you folks. Personally i think he should run for president i sure would vote for him... We need a few smart ones like him in there not the mentally defeicent screw balls there now




Rank Country GDP (real)growth rate (%) Year.
1  Azerbaijan -31.00- 2007 est.
2  Timor-Leste -24.00- 2007 est.
3  Macau -16.60 -2005
4  Angola- 16.30- 2007 est.
5  Armenia -13.70- 2007 est.
6  Sudan- 12.80 -2007 est.
7  Equatorial Guinea- 12.70- 2007 est.
8  Georgia -12.00- 2007 est.
9  People's Republic of China -11.40= 2007 est.
10  Liechtenstein -11.00- 1999 est.
11  Cyprus -10.60 -2007 est.
12  Latvia -10.30- 2007
13  Anguilla -10.20- 2004 est.
14  Ethiopia -9.80 -2007 est.
15  India -9.60 [1]- 2007 est.
16  Kazakhstan -9.50- 2007 est.
17  Cambodia -9.10- 2007 est.
18  Slovakia -9.00 -[2] 2007
19  Bhutan -8.80- 2005 est.
20  Argentina -8.70 -[3] 2007
21  Liberia -8.50 -2007 est.
22  Vietnam -8.50 -2007 est.
23  United Arab Emirates -8.50- 2007 est
24  Mongolia -8.40 -2006 est.
25  Venezuela- 8.30- 2007 est.
26  Russia -8.10- 2007 est.
27  Uzbekistan -8.10 -2007 est.
28  Lithuania -8.00- 2007 est.
29  Panama -7.80 -2007 est.
30  Qatar -7.80 -2007 est.
31  Afghanistan -7.50- 2007 est.
32  Mozambique- 7.50 -2007 est
33  Peru -7.50 -2007 est.
34  Singapore -7.40- 2007 est.
35  Estonia -7.30 -2007 est.
36  Philippines -7.30-- 2007 est.
37  Dominican Republic -7.20- 2007 est.
38  Egypt -7.20- 2007 est.
39  Tajikistan -7.20 --2007 est.
40  Uruguay -7.20 -2007 est.
41  Ukraine- 7.10 -[4] 2007
42  Cape Verde -7.00- 2007 est.
43  Democratic Republic of the Congo -7.00- 2007 est.
44  Gambia -7.00 -2007 est.
45  Gibraltar -7.00- 2007 est.
46  Laos -7.00- 2007 est.
47  Turkmenistan- 7.00 -2007 est.
48  Belarus -6.90- 2007 est.
49  Tanzania -6.90- 2007 est.
50  Sierra Leone -[6.80 -2007 est.
51  Vanuatu- 6.80- 2005 est.
52  Bahrain -6.60 -2007 est.
53  Colombia -6.50- 2007 est.
54  Cuba -6.50- [5] 2007
55  Poland -6.50 -2007 est.
56  Kyrgyzstan -6.50- 2007 est.
57  São Tomé and Príncipe- 6.50- 2007 est.
58  Sri Lanka- 6.50 -[6] 2007
59  Kenya -6.30 -2007 est.
60  Madagascar -6.30 -[2007 est.
61  Pakistan -6.30 -2007 est.
62  Tunisia- 6.30 -2007 est.
63  Niue -6.20- 2003 est.
64  Bulgaria -6.10  -2007 est.
65  Costa Rica -6.10- 2007 est.
66  Indonesia -6.10 -2007 est.
67  Nigeria -6.10 -2007 est.
68  Bangladesh -6.00 -2007 est.
69  Czech Republic -6.00- [7] 2007
70  Honduras -6.00 -2007 est.
71  Moldova -6.00- 2007 est.
72  Montenegro -6.00 -2007 est.
73  Rwanda -6.00 -2007 est.
74  Saint Kitts and Nevis -6.00- 2007 est.
75  Uganda-0 6.00 -2007 est.
76  Romania -5.90- 2007 est.
77  Serbia --5.90- 2007 est.
78  Ghana -5.80 -2007 est.
79  Hong Kong -5.80 -2007 est.
80  Seychelles -5.80 -2007 est.
81  Trinidad and Tobago -5.80-- 2007 est.
82  Jordan -5.70 -2007 est.
83  Malaysia- 5.70-- 2007 est.
84  Malawi -5.70 -2007 est.
85  Croatia -5.60 -2007 est.
86  Guatemala -5.60- 2007 est.
87  Kuwait -5.60 -2007 est.
88  Slovenia -5.60 -2007 est.
89  Bosnia and Herzegovina -5.50 -2007 est.
90  Burundi -5.50 -2007 est.
91  Maldives -5.50- 2007 est.
92  Mauritius -5.50 -2007 est.
93  Palau -5.50 -2005 est.
94  Samoa -5.50- 2005 est.
95  Brazil -5.40 -[8] 2007 est.
96  Iran -5.40 -[9] 2007 est.
97  Libya -5.40 -2007 est.
98  Oman -5.30 -2007 est.
99  Ireland- 5.30 -2007 est.
100  Zambia -5.30 -2007 est.
101  Chile -5.20 -2007 est.
102  Isle of Man-- 5.20- 2005
103  French Polynesia -5.10 -2002
104  Israel -5.10- 2007 est.
105  Saint Lucia -5.10 -2005 est.
106  Suriname --5.10 -2007 est.
107  Turkey -5.10 -2007 est.
108  Albania -5.00 -2007 est.
109  Iraq -5.00 --2007 est.
110  Luxembourg -5.00 -2007 est.
111  South Africa -5.00 -2007 est.
112  Turks and Caicos Islands -4.90 -2000 est.
113  Lesotho -4.80 -2007 est.
114  South Korea -4.80- 2007 est.
115  Botswana -4.70 -2007 est.
116  Algeria -4.60 -2007 est.
117  Bermuda -4.60 -2004 est.
118  Macedonia -5.10- [10] 2007 est.
119  San Marino -4.60 -2004 est.
120  Senegal -4.60 -2007 est.
121  Taiwan -4.60 -2007 est.
122  Benin -4.50 -2007 est.
123  Gabon -4.50- 2007 est.
124  Guyana -4.50- 2007 est.
125  Namibia -4.50- 2007 est.
126  Niger -4.50- 2007 est.
127  Saint Vincent and the Grenadines  -4.40 -2007 est.
128  Solomon Islands- 4.40- 2005 est.
129  Mali -4.30 -2007 est.
130  Thailand -4.30 -2007 est.
131  Burkina Faso -4.20 -2007 est.
132  Australia -4.00 -2007 est.
133  Barbados 4-.00 -2007 est.
134  Bolivia -4.00 -2007 est.
135  Central African Republic -4.00- 2007 est.
136  Paraguay -4.00- 2007 est.
137  Papua New Guinea -4.00 -2007 est.
138  Finland -3.90- 2007 est.
139  Antigua and Barbuda -3.80- 2007 est.
140  Spain -3.80 -2007 est.
141  Greece -3.70 -2007 est.
142  Guinea-Bissau -3.70- 2007 est.
143  Andorra -3.50 -2007 est.
144  Burma -3.50 -2007 est.
145  Haiti -3.50 - 2007 est.
146  Marshall Islands -3.50 -2007 est.
147  Saudi Arabia -3.50 -[11] 2007
148  Syria -3.50 -2007 est.
149  El Salvador -3.40 -2007 est.
150  Malta --3.40- 2007 est.
151  Sweden-- 3.40 --2007 est.
152  Austria -3.30 -2007 est.
153  Cameroon -3.20 -2007 est.
154  Djibouti -3.20 -2005 est.
155  Dominica -3.20 -2007 est.
156  Yemen -3.20 2-007 est.
157  Norway 3-.10 -[12] 2007 est.
158  American Samoa -3.00- 2003
159  Belize -3.00 -2007 est.
160  European Union -3.00 -2007 est.
161  Guernsey -3.00 -2005 est.
162  Mexico -3.00 -2007 est.
163  New Zealand -3.00 -2007 est.
164  Nicaragua -2.90 -2007 est.
165  United Kingdom -2.90 -2007
166  Bahamas -2.80 -2007 est.
167  Netherlands- 2.80 -2007 est.
168  Republic of the Congo -2.80 -2007 est.
169  Belgium -2.70 -2007 est.
170  Canada -2.70 -2007 est.
171  Germany -2.60 -2007 est.
172  Somalia -2.60 -2007 est.
173  Switzerland -2.60 -2007 est.
174  Nepal -2.50 -2007 est.
175  Togo -2.50 -2007 est.
176  Aruba- 2.40 -2005 est.
177  Faroe Islands -2.40 -2005 est..
178  Tonga -2.40 -2005 est.
179  United States -2.20 -2007 est.
180  Morocco -2.10 -2007 est.
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W7SMJ
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« Reply #34 on: April 25, 2008, 03:58:04 PM »

JBH - Don't discount our 2.2% GDP growth.  That represents about $303 Billion, which is a lot more than most countries GDP, especially those at the top of your list…

PEH – Thanks for the feedback, that makes sense.  I’m still curious how the EU can have higher rates than the U.S. given their financial situation.  As near as I can tell as an aggregate the EU has a public debt close to 60% of their GDP vs. the U.S. at 37%.  More telling is the external debt, $32.7 Trillion vs. the U.S. $12.7 Trillion.

JI – I certainly don’t like the on going U.S. trade deficit, but it doesn’t seem as dire as you’re implying (at least to me).  Comparing imports/exports as an aggregate it appears the U.S. still exports surplus food.  It also appears that there is still a large and viable domestic manufacturing sector, with the exception of textiles where The U.S. has barely any output at all.

Some other random thoughts:

Sometimes I think it’s easy to lose sight of how great we have it in the U.S. in comparison to the rest of the world.  I would gladly trade a couple years of life expectancy to live in this country.  Besides, how great is life at 78 relative to your youth?

I think if there’s going to be any financial imploding you’re going to see it in the EU first and that could be a bellwether of any financial catastrophes for the U.S.

If the dollar stays low or fall further perhaps it could stimulate domestic manufacturing, which could translate into the electronics industry and perhaps cheaper domestic amps?
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K9VQ
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« Reply #35 on: April 26, 2008, 01:37:05 PM »

W8JI said "In order to have US Exports look more favorable, we must have something to sell."

Some of our heavy equipment manufactures are thriving in this poor economy. I work at Caterpillar TTT (Track Type Tractor) in East Peoria. Our 2008 tractor orders this year have increased 30% over last year. The increase has all been with overseas orders because the low dollar makes our tractors a bargain. Hey, a new D11 only costs $1 dollar a pound, but a D11 weighs 1,000,000 pounds.

I don't know what this has to do with Alpha amplifiers. But I assume they would be a bargain to foreign hams.  
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N3JBH
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« Reply #36 on: April 27, 2008, 12:37:33 PM »

"Hey, a new D11 only costs $1 dollar a pound, but a D11 weighs 1,000,000 pounds."

Really 1.000.000 pounds man that thing got bigger then it was. 100 tons was what they weighed, that is 200,000 pounds.  
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KE4ZHN
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« Reply #37 on: April 28, 2008, 01:39:05 PM »

Frankly, I dont care if a new Alpha costs 50k, its still overrated. All too often I hear hams on the air talking about how great their Alpha is, only to hear in the next transmission how many times its been back and forth to Colorado for repairs. If Im going to spend upwards of 10k for an amplifier, it better be bulletproof and built to take anything. The Brooksville built Alphas are built like tanks and great amps. They are still repairable by the average ham who isnt adept at micro surgery working on surface mount components and servos and the tons of other unnecessary crap in the new Alpha's. The 9500 is WAY over engineered and it wont do anything an AL1500 wont except give you a pretty light show. The AL1500 has a robust power supply, the same tube and watt for watt there isnt any difference. Plus, you can buy two AL1500's and have money left for the price of the 9500! I'll stick with my 35 yr old SB220 which I can easily repair at home and I doubt anyone can tell the difference between my 1500 watts and an Alphas. Well, maybe they can, because my 220 will still be on the air when the new 9500 is in the UPS truck on its way to Colorado...again. lol
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« Reply #38 on: April 29, 2008, 02:46:54 PM »

KE4ZHN said..."The 9500 is WAY over engineered and it wont do anything an AL1500 wont except give you a pretty light show. The AL1500 has a robust power supply, the same tube and watt for watt there isnt any difference...I'll stick with my 35 yr old SB220 which I can easily repair at home and I doubt anyone can tell the difference between my 1500 watts and an Alphas. Well, maybe they can, because my 220 will still be on the air when the new 9500 is in the UPS truck on its way to Colorado...again. lol"  

I hate to disagree, but there is a substantial difference between the quality and capability of the two amps, and making blanket statments that an Alpha 9500 "won't do anything an AL-1500 won't" is plain unsupported.  Anytime you want to put it to the test, send me a stock AL-1500 or your SB220, I will put both on the air running digital at legal limit, afterwards I will send you back what is left after they both self-destruct, because neither amp is rated for 100% duty cycle.

With the complexity of the higher-end equipment coming out today, most all manufactures have had some problems with their top of the line gear. Look at   Yaesu with the FTDX9000 series of radios and Icom with the IC7800. Read the reviews on eham, and it is rare to see a launch of new higher-end products that have not developed unforeseen, but correctable problems once the gear gets out in the field.

Now don't get me wrong the Amertron AL-1500 and Heathkit SB 220 are both fine amps amd both have their shortcomings and advantages, but they will not stand up to the demands of running legal limit at full duty cycle, and anyone who thinks differently is just trying to fool themselves and a few others.

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K6AER
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« Reply #39 on: April 30, 2008, 10:14:59 AM »

Interesting where this post has gone and come back to. I was talking to Molly of Alpha Amplifiers at the Visalia DX Convention this weekend about the cost of today’s amplifiers.

On of their main cost is the overhead of taking care of the workers at the plant. This includes local regulations, safety (OSHA), environmental (Bolder, CO is not easy) and health care. This is huge here in the states.

Amplifier made in Bulgaria doesn’t have to conform to those regulations and as a result can turn out a cheaper product. We forget why so many product have gone overseas is because we voted with out pocket book. Manufacture responded with out lust for a product cheaper-at-any-cost and sent manufacturing overseas to stay in business.

Remember the “Union Label” on cloths many years ago. America did not care and we bought Wall Mart, Target and K-Mart for VALUE. We have no textile industries as a result. If I offered a Plasma TV for only 10% more in cost than the imports, to have it made in the US, nobody would buy the TV.  We vote with our wallet.

Getting back to amplifiers I had the chance to use the Alpha 9500 at Visalia last weekend. Watching many hams with various degrees of amplifier expertise, I can attest the Alpha 9500 is a very rugged amplifier and its fault protection circuitry is not only boob proof but in the case of many hams much needed. Consistently hams would over drive the amplifier. Go to manual tune only to increase the grid drive to 200% of normal to get 1500 watts out when their tune and load were much mismatched. This amplifier had just come back from Clipperton Island DX site and still had a coating of sea salt on the cabinet. This is the same amplifier that has been on several DX expeditions. As any experienced DX expedition ham can tell you amplifier don’t travel well unless they are will made.

If you think today’s amplifiers are over engineered do you know the average car has 11-17 microprocessors on board? Manual everything is alright providing you never make a mistake. I see too many questions in E-Ham on amplifier repair to believe that is the case.

As for making an amplifier easy to repair only 5% of the current crop of hams are qualifier to do amplifier repair. As a manufacture, I know I would not want most hams getting into the cabinet. That is a recipe for disaster.
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KC9GUZ
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« Reply #40 on: May 09, 2008, 10:04:39 AM »

Eh, ill keep my Ameritron 811H. I'm too poor to afford the Alpha line of amps! And yes, i am a newer ham and yes, I have worked on the insides of the amp but i make sure the damn thing is turned off!!!!! :-)
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« Reply #41 on: May 28, 2008, 03:43:08 AM »

Oh, yea, the Alpha Amp!

I don't have a problem with the increase.  $5,000, $7,000 or $10,000, it's still out of my league but I understand that, if I had a BMW, Infinity or Mercedes in the driveway of my 5 bedroom home I'd feel better about dragging an Alpha out of the trunk then an Ameritran !!  Quality can still demand top dollar and it sounds like Alpha gets paid in spades for it's top shelf after purchase service.
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