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Author Topic: Professional Women reject Ham Radio. As they should  (Read 63391 times)
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« Reply #30 on: December 12, 2014, 08:11:54 AM »

Really ? LOL !  Roll Eyes



When tuning across the HF bands  you seldom hear a woman.  Though the hobby's official organization is chaired by a Woman."

I work with and have worked for many professional, women who are technologists.  Yet I have NEVER heard a smart, articulate professionally accomplished  woman on the ham bands.  There have been many studies and various organizations exhorting Women to go into technology fields in the past 2 decades. I don't know  the success rate of those efforts. But in her new book,  "The End of Men"  Hanna Rosin posits that the future of the professional workspace is becoming more and more feminized.  Indeed, for  every  2 men that graduate from college  this year, 3 women will graduate. The Post Industrial Globalized knowledge worker era does not need the kinds of positions that men have been attracted to. And they (men) are dropping out of the workforce in droves (according to NY Times last week.) Further, Women  have “started to dominate” in lower-profile professions like accounting, financial management, optometry, dermatology, forensic pathology and veterinary practices, among “hundreds of others.”   

It's easy to see why professional Women would not be interested in Ham radio. Take a number. But it's the hobby's loss that so very few accomplished Women are present. --- I know someone is going to come  in here and tell me about a Woman who is a Quantum mathematician who is active in their local 2 meter club!  Ha! --

Perhaps this shift in the economy at large (and in turn the culture) accompanied by de-emphasizing the buffoonery of EmComm will open the hobby up to a more interesting demographic.  Recently KB6NU wrote  a piece on his blog "Where are the Hams?" where he asks: "question, why don’t hams get on the air anymore?" and laments what he sees as a drop in traffic on the bands (high and low).

The answer is that Ham radio is a very narrow cultural  niche. More hams than ever, but traffic is  surely dropping. (No metrics needed).  The fact is, most of those several hundred  thousand that joined the hobby in the post-Code era found out, that the bands are full of tired middle aged to elderly men who just aren't very interesting. The bands are populated by retiree groups with their working lives behind them, as they sit on  a metaphorical radio porch and "play dominoes" as men in small towns did generations ago.  Or  others who sit  at  their desk with a huge pile of radios as if they were in the bunker with "Dr. Strangelove".  It is a laughable and pathetic image. In an era of explosive world wide communications, these are the ones who will be there "when all else fails" (makes  one want to gag)   Ham radio is a place where  professional Women may be welcome but smartly they take a pass. As well they should. 
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« Reply #31 on: December 12, 2014, 08:22:38 AM »

What has really changed in HAM radio is that education levels of amateurs have diminished.  You don't have the professional levels that were once attracted to the hobby.  Listen to some of the conversations on the bands and you will rapidly come to the conclusion that there are many stupid people lurking around.  Intelligent women are not interested in conversing with stupid men.  As a matter of fact, intelligent men are not interested in conversing with stupid men.  Thus HAM radio does not attract people with higher intellect and the degradation will continue.  Finding really intelligent people to speak to on HAM radio is like finding an Oasis in the desert without a map or a compass; your thirst is only quenched by chance. 
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« Reply #32 on: December 12, 2014, 11:14:28 AM »


 Yet I have NEVER heard a smart, articulate professionally accomplished woman on the ham bands. 

I have.
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« Reply #33 on: December 12, 2014, 11:16:45 AM »

Well you can start with the following two female radio amateurs, both of whom seem to be professionals:

1) Ms. Tisha Hayes AA4HA https://www.linkedin.com/pub/tisha-hayes/15/430/90a

2) Ms. Allison Parent KB1GMX http://www.masscon.org/page3/page4/page4.html

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« Reply #34 on: December 12, 2014, 12:25:38 PM »

The person who most influenced me to get off my duff and get a license

1) is extremely, almost scarily intelligent
2) is a long-time amateur radio enthusiast
3) uses CW on HF exclusively
4) is a homebrewer
5) is an electronics engineer
6) is, in fact, the chief engineer of a local television station
7) writes pretty durn good science fiction
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Cool is female.  (Hey, that emoticon worked out just right!)

Just sayin'.  And no, she's not my XYL.  My XYL could care less about radio Smiley
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« Reply #35 on: December 12, 2014, 01:46:27 PM »

So, in two years you have managed to come up with four or five.

You are making his point for him.
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« Reply #36 on: December 12, 2014, 02:11:32 PM »


--- I know someone is going to come  in here and tell me about a Woman who is a Quantum mathematician who is active in their local 2 meter club!  Ha! --



There's a ham on the local 2M machine who is a quantum mechanic.  He services my flying saucer every 5000 light years.   Grin

Maybe you're not tuning the women on HF SSB correctly, making them sound like men?
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« Reply #37 on: December 12, 2014, 02:22:18 PM »

My XYL doesn't have time to get on the air. She will have spent 22 weeks of 2014 out of the UK, running training courses on VHDL, UVM, DFT and similar simulation programs for digital IC design. In fact, currently, she is in Finland and goes to Beijing on Dec13: she gets home after Christmas on December 27....You might guess that she is a professional engineer, of course.

But this is why many professional people drop out of ham radio - time!
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« Reply #38 on: December 12, 2014, 05:20:01 PM »

What has really changed in HAM radio is that education levels of amateurs have diminished.  You don't have the professional levels that were once attracted to the hobby.  Listen to some of the conversations on the bands and you will rapidly come to the conclusion that there are many stupid people lurking around.  Intelligent women are not interested in conversing with stupid men.  As a matter of fact, intelligent men are not interested in conversing with stupid men.  Thus HAM radio does not attract people with higher intellect and the degradation will continue.  Finding really intelligent people to speak to on HAM radio is like finding an Oasis in the desert without a map or a compass; your thirst is only quenched by chance. 

Well, for someone who's still a General and licensed for only 7 years, you seem to have more insight, perspective, and answers than everyone else here on eHam....maybe except for W8JX.

There are many, many very talented in our hobby.  They're in all walks of professional life.  No, they don't hang out on 75 meters SSB.  I can assure you however, that they're out there, and unlike you, they're some of the kindest, humblest, and most dignified people you'll ever meet.

As for you....you're just full of crap.

 
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« Reply #39 on: December 12, 2014, 06:23:27 PM »

What has really changed in HAM radio is that education levels of amateurs have diminished.  You don't have the professional levels that were once attracted to the hobby.  Listen to some of the conversations on the bands and you will rapidly come to the conclusion that there are many stupid people lurking around.  Intelligent women are not interested in conversing with stupid men.  As a matter of fact, intelligent men are not interested in conversing with stupid men.  Thus HAM radio does not attract people with higher intellect and the degradation will continue.  Finding really intelligent people to speak to on HAM radio is like finding an Oasis in the desert without a map or a compass; your thirst is only quenched by chance. 

Well, for someone who's still a General and licensed for only 7 years, you seem to have more insight, perspective, and answers than everyone else here on eHam....maybe except for W8JX.

There are many, many very talented in our hobby.  They're in all walks of professional life.  No, they don't hang out on 75 meters SSB.  I can assure you however, that they're out there, and unlike you, they're some of the kindest, humblest, and most dignified people you'll ever meet.

As for you....you're just full of crap.

 


If you have a question about something you can check in on one of the 75 meter SSB rag chews and there are several frequencies where one of them can answer about anything you want to know. But, generally it is a bunch of guys who have known each other for decades and lost interest in playing who is the smartest ham a long time ago.
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« Reply #40 on: December 15, 2014, 07:25:15 AM »

Seems like you're over-thinking it, and damning all of us because some of us lack social skills.

My experience has been that women are simply not interested in two-way radio communications, because it is not as practical or flexible as a cell phone.

This includes two wives and two girlfriends and my mom and sister.

My wife is a mechanical engineer. My ex-wife is a doctor. Girlfriends were not professional. Sister and mom just think it is a nerdy hobby that I like because I'm a male engineer. They can see the potential value of it in a time of emergency, but see that as more of a doomsday scenario. Will it change if cell service goes out for a while or if there's a big disaster? Maybe, maybe not. I won't dwell on it.

I try to present a good face of ham radio to everyone. If they don't like it, that's fine too.
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« Reply #41 on: December 15, 2014, 09:24:33 AM »

So, in two years you have managed to come up with four or five.

You are making his point for him.

Gee there are 4 here on our local repeater. 1 of which found the hobby all on her own. I have found them to be very articulate and just as worthy of a QSO as any male ham. If you look around, there are more then you think. However many don't feel very welcome to talk because of the negative attitudes portrayed in this thread.
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« Reply #42 on: December 15, 2014, 09:31:04 AM »

K9MHZ ... The closet stalker and personal attack specialist...

So what if I'm a General and have 7 years in the hobby  (look how personally fluttered you are to actually look me up on the ULS); as if my license class or years in the hobby discredit my intelligence. This is a weak minded bait statement.

And I didn't say there aren't intelligent people, just less of them and I take license to use an unscientific, subjective evaluation system which is my own opinion based upon what I hear on the air.  And of course because I posit critical sentences in my posit I apparently am not kind, humble, or dignified; another disjointed lack of logic by K9MHZ.

And finally K9MHZ says that I'm "full of crap" simply because he doesn't agree with my perspective.  Well I'm sure K9MHZ can't control his anger so his logic can certainly be questioned.  An intelligent man doesn't make a persional attack here; a stupid man gets emotional and apparently K9MHZ is a very emotional man.

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« Reply #43 on: December 15, 2014, 10:15:45 AM »


My experience has been that women are simply not interested in two-way radio communications, because it is not as practical or flexible as a cell phone.


My experience has been that most people are simply not interested in two-way radio communications, because it is not as practical or flexible as a cell phone.

^there,^ i fixed it for ya  Wink
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« Reply #44 on: December 16, 2014, 05:27:54 AM »

Oh, look.... somebody found a 2-year-old dried up turd and gave it a new punch bowl to float in.

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