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« Reply #240 on: July 14, 2014, 07:00:47 PM »

UK government plans switch from Microsoft Office to open source

"Ministers are looking at saving tens of millions of pounds a year by abandoning expensive software produced by firms such as Microsoft."

http://www.theguardian.com/technology/2014/jan/29/uk-government-plans-switch-to-open-source-from-microsoft-office-suite



They could save more money by stopping the bank rolling of royals.
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« Reply #241 on: July 15, 2014, 05:50:03 AM »

UK government plans switch from Microsoft Office to open source

"Ministers are looking at saving tens of millions of pounds a year by abandoning expensive software produced by firms such as Microsoft."

http://www.theguardian.com/technology/2014/jan/29/uk-government-plans-switch-to-open-source-from-microsoft-office-suite


They could save more money by stopping the bank rolling of royals.

You might want to do some research before making such statements.

You might also do some research on  on various companies, governments, government agencies , etc that have switched to Open Source.
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« Reply #242 on: July 15, 2014, 06:20:15 AM »

UK government plans switch from Microsoft Office to open source

"Ministers are looking at saving tens of millions of pounds a year by abandoning expensive software produced by firms such as Microsoft."

http://www.theguardian.com/technology/2014/jan/29/uk-government-plans-switch-to-open-source-from-microsoft-office-suite


They could save more money by stopping the bank rolling of royals.

You might want to do some research before making such statements.

You might also do some research on  on various companies, governments, government agencies , etc that have switched to Open Source.

Open source brings problems of its own to table. Some are using a knee jerk reaction to OS choice without thinking things through. When you buy software you also buy years of research and development. Is there a perfect OS, no but free is not always best answer.
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« Reply #243 on: July 15, 2014, 11:24:23 AM »

UK government plans switch from Microsoft Office to open source

"Ministers are looking at saving tens of millions of pounds a year by abandoning expensive software produced by firms such as Microsoft."

http://www.theguardian.com/technology/2014/jan/29/uk-government-plans-switch-to-open-source-from-microsoft-office-suite


They could save more money by stopping the bank rolling of royals.

You might want to do some research before making such statements.

You might also do some research on  on various companies, governments, government agencies , etc that have switched to Open Source.

Open source brings problems of its own to table. Some are using a knee jerk reaction to OS choice without thinking things through. When you buy software you also buy years of research and development. Is there a perfect OS, no but free is not always best answer.

Yes, Open Source does bring problems of its own. So?

Many aren't making knee jerk reactions, and are thinking things through.

When you use Open Source software, you are also benefiting from years of research and development.

There is no such thing as a perfect OS, and Free (as opposed to free, do some research) is not always the best answer. Nothing is always the best answer.

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« Reply #244 on: July 15, 2014, 02:13:55 PM »

many aren't making knee jerk reactions, and are thinking things through.

I disagree. Many are crying over loss of a 14 year old OS and think they know more than MS about the risk of using it now or want to leave windows because a 14 year old OS is no longer supported. No I would say there is a lot of knee jerk reactions.
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« Reply #245 on: July 15, 2014, 02:35:02 PM »

UK government plans switch from Microsoft Office to open source

"Ministers are looking at saving tens of millions of pounds a year by abandoning expensive software produced by firms such as Microsoft."

http://www.theguardian.com/technology/2014/jan/29/uk-government-plans-switch-to-open-source-from-microsoft-office-suite

It makes a lot of sense to me.  Given the Snowden leaks I guess most of them now realize that being allies does not mean the USA will not spy on you from every level.  Americans may be accepting that privacy is dead but other countries are not going to entertain the idea of America reading their emails and listening to their phone calls.

So yes use open source software is a great solution.  You can have your own computer geniuses tear through the code and check it for spyware and also add and remove what you want.
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« Reply #246 on: July 15, 2014, 02:44:23 PM »

many aren't making knee jerk reactions, and are thinking things through.

I disagree. Many are crying over loss of a 14 year old OS and think they know more than MS about the risk of using it now or want to leave windows because a 14 year old OS is no longer supported. No I would say there is a lot of knee jerk reactions.

Way to avoid the subject of the last couple of posts.

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Yes, Open Source does bring problems of its own. So?

Many aren't making knee jerk reactions, and are thinking things through.

When you use Open Source software, you are also benefiting from years of research and development.

There is no such thing as a perfect OS, and Free (as opposed to free, do some research) is not always the best answer. Nothing is always the best answer.
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« Reply #247 on: July 15, 2014, 03:55:59 PM »

Given the comparative small number of open source users (as compared to MS products) what makes you think that the open source stuff is properly patched an fully secure? I imagine that you are counting on the smaller number of users being a small target and less interesting for hackers. You let governments and corporate users start using it in any numbers and the target will suddenly become of interest and they'll find the holes that have been there all along.

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« Reply #248 on: July 15, 2014, 04:46:59 PM »

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small number of users
If you are talking about desktop users, then yes.
If you take in the number of servers, no
Mac O/S is a Unix like system
Android is a Unix like system.
Unix has been around a lot longer than Windows, longer than DOS?
Linux is a (basically) a reverse engineered flavour of Unix

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« Reply #249 on: July 15, 2014, 05:06:28 PM »

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small number of users
If you are talking about desktop users, then yes.
If you take in the number of servers, no
Mac O/S is a Unix like system
Android is a Unix like system.
Unix has been around a lot longer than Windows, longer than DOS?
Linux is a (basically) a reverse engineered flavour of Unix


We haven't even scratched the surface yet. How about embedded Linux? I hear people say that they never use Linux. Really? Then I mention that Linux is on everyday consumer devices including the set top box to smart tvs to wireless routers.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Linux_on_embedded_systems

"Operating systems based on the Linux kernel are used in embedded systems such as consumer electronics (i.e. set-top boxes, smart TVs, in-vehicle infotainment (IVI), networking equipment (such as wireless routers), machine control, industrial automation, navigation equipment, spacecraft flight software, and medical instruments in general).

Thanks to their nature of versatility, operating systems based on the Linux kernel can be also found in mobile devices that are actually touchscreen-based embedded devices, such as smartphones and tablets, together with personal digital assistants (PDAs) and portable media players that also include a touchscreen.
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"Linux kernel has been ported to a variety of CPUs which are not only primarily used as the processor of a desktop or server computer, but also ARM, AVR32, ETRAX CRIS, FR-V, H8300, IP7000, m68k, MIPS, mn10300, PowerPC, SuperH, and Xtensa processors. Linux is also used as an alternative to using a proprietary operating system and its associated toolchain.[1]"

"Due to its low cost and ease of customization, Linux has been shipped in many consumer devices. Devices covering PDAs (like the Sharp Zaurus family), TomTom GPS navigation devices, residential gateways like the Linksys WRT54G series or smartphones such as the Motorola exz series, Openmoko handsets, and the Nokia N900 and Nokia N9.

"A Linux kernel–based operating system known as Android, developed by Google, has become a highly competitive platform for smartphones and tablets. First introduced in 2008, in July 2012, Android's smartphone market share in the United States was 52%.[2]"

"With the availability of consumer embedded devices, communities of users and developers were formed around theses devices: Replacement or enhancements of the Linux distribution shipped on the device has often been made possible thanks to availability of the source code and to the communities surrounding the devices. Due to the high number of devices, standardized build systems have appeared like OpenEmbedded, Buildroot, OpenWrt, and LTIB.
Platform usage

The advantages of embedded Linux over proprietary embedded operating systems include multiple suppliers for software, development and support; no royalties or licensing fees; a stable kernel; the ability to read, modify and redistribute the source code. The technical disadvantages include a comparatively large memory footprint (kernel and root filesystem); complexities of user mode and kernel mode memory access, and a complex device drivers framework.[1]"
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« Reply #250 on: July 15, 2014, 05:25:18 PM »

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small number of users
If you are talking about desktop users, then yes.
If you take in the number of servers, no
Mac O/S is a Unix like system
Android is a Unix like system.
Unix has been around a lot longer than Windows, longer than DOS?
Linux is a (basically) a reverse engineered flavour of Unix

Mac OSX is Unix . . It's not Unix-like, it's a certified version of Unix.  Linux is not a certified version of Unix. It's considered Unix-like.  http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Single_UNIX_Specification

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« Reply #251 on: July 15, 2014, 06:11:57 PM »

Given the comparative small number of open source users (as compared to MS products) what makes you think that the open source stuff is properly patched an fully secure? I imagine that you are counting on the smaller number of users being a small target and less interesting for hackers. You let governments and corporate users start using it in any numbers and the target will suddenly become of interest and they'll find the holes that have been there all along.


Are you serious?
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« Reply #252 on: July 15, 2014, 06:41:34 PM »

I'm serious. Are you saying that if a PC user drops MS and installs an open source OS it is guaranteed that he will be perfectly safe from any attacks?
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« Reply #253 on: July 15, 2014, 07:56:13 PM »

I'm serious.
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Incredible.

Are you saying that if a PC user drops MS and installs an open source OS it is guaranteed that he will be perfectly safe from any attacks?

No, I am not saying that. No OS or software is perfectly secure.

Are you saying if a PC user installs Windows it is guaranteed that he will be perfectly safe from any attacks?

Governments and corporations already using OS applications and software.
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« Reply #254 on: July 24, 2014, 03:36:14 PM »

Anybody remember Y2K?  Wink


Ah. Y2K....Orson Wells newest version of "The Day The World Almost Stood Still" Rated G.  Grin
I wonder just how much money was actually spent in that final hour.
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