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Author Topic: Why is Win 8 bad?  (Read 83271 times)
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« Reply #105 on: June 22, 2014, 02:19:40 PM »

Seems like Microsoft is paying attention.  Their execs--in some news reports--are admitting that even though Win 8.1 upgrade is a stable, efficient operating system, that still what a flop Win8/8.1/8.1 upgrade was and is.  According to that report, Win 9 is going to have two separate systems that can and will be set-up to exchange any and all data.  One system will run on traditional computers/laptops and the other on tablets/smartphones.

Let's see if that is indeed the case--or if Microsoft will now blow its legs off instead of just shooting itself in the foot by continuing the major mistake that is the Win 8 family in Win 9.

Oh, and BTW, other reports are that Win 9 is going to come out much sooner than it was scheduled to and that it will look like Win 7--not Win 8.

Added--Info link:  http://mashable.com/2014/04/05/microsoft-windows-8-retreat/


"Microsoft showed off the future of Windows this week at its 2014 Build developer conference, and it looks pretty retro. In fact, it looks a lot like Windows 7."

(That alone speaks volumes.)


"In other words, it's exactly how Windows used to work."


(Amen!)


"It's tantamount to an admission from Microsoft that the approach it took with Windows 8 was a mistake"


(It is always a good thing to admit mistakes and not trying to bury it with press releases and through astroturfers. I commend Microsoft for that.)



"Windows, as a desktop interface, will be more or less back to normal (tablets will remain Modern-first)."



"Did it have to be this way? Why didn't Microsoft just launch Modern/Metro as a tablet-only OS, and leave the desktop well enough alone? "  

(I have been asking the same questions...and apparently it seems...so have others.)



Thanks for link, it made for interesting reading and validated what I have been saying all along. I like this particular honest comment....



"There were many signs that Windows 8 was going to have user experience problems before it hit alpha and beta. Internal employees and external beta testers massive protests were completely ignored by upper management."

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« Reply #106 on: June 22, 2014, 02:24:45 PM »

Hello.

Not only will Windows 9 come in 2 flavors, but they both ship together!
One will be an Android like module and the other a, x86 platform.
RT was a failure, and 8 was a failure.
Now, Microsoft wants to "pair" a laptop or desktop with a mobile device, not just sync, but a true paring.
So, straight from Microsoft, Windows 8 is a failure
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« Reply #107 on: June 22, 2014, 03:18:37 PM »

Here are a few more interesting reads.  The general consensus is that even Microsoft wants to put their latest 'Vista debacle' OS--the Windows 8 family--behind them.
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Microsoft is currently in the process of developing two new iterations of Windows, one as an update for the already available Windows 8.1 Update and another as a whole new release. Windows 8.1 Update 2 is set to launch in August/September of this year, and Windows 9 is said to be launching next year in 2015.

http://www.winbeta.org/news/more-tidbits-windows-81-update-2-and-windows-9-information-leaks
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These are just two of a set of interesting articles concerning Windows--

Windows 9 coming in 2015, will try its hardest to distance itself from the Windows 8 train wreck

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The Start menu will return in new Desktop-optimized version of Windows 8.2

...According to Foley’s sources, Threshold will see Windows 8.2 (or Windows 9 perhaps) split into three SKUs (stock-keeping units): a Modern/Metro SKU, a traditional desktop PC SKU, and a traditional enterprise SKU. The Metro version would be focused on the Metro interface, WinRT apps, and the mobile/touchscreen experience. The traditional desktop PC version would be a lot like Windows 7, but with Windows 8′s low-level tweaks. The traditional enterprise version would be Desktop-oriented (but still have a Metro interface), and have support for group policies and other business-oriented bits....

http://www.extremetech.com/tag/windows-9

Also on this page is an article concerning Windows Phone and Android, and articles concerning the direction Microsoft may be moving--including a discussion of whether a Windows subscription edition is coming, and likewise a Windows Cloud edition.

Seems as though the resident guru here on this forum has egg on his face right now--because the future is starting to look like the past!
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« Reply #108 on: June 26, 2014, 11:20:42 AM »

Actually Windows 9 is supposed to be coming in 3 flavours, Touch, Desktop and Enterprise.
The Chinese Government has banned Windows 8 from it's machines (That alone speaks volumes)

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A couple of tidbits stand out:

 

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    Windows 8.1 Update 2 is almost finished according to WZOR, and that Microsoft are currently discussing the ways in which they could offer it to existing users. Update 2 will require new license keys, and will offer it to Windows 8.0 users for a small fee. The update will be free for Windows 8.1 Update 1 users of course. The alternative method for Windows 8.0 users would be to update to Windows 8.1 for free, and then to Update 1 and then to Update 2.

 

If there is a way for a Windows 8.0 user to get to 8.1 Update 2 without having to open a Microsoft account (PayPal comes to mind as an alternative), this might be a plus in the eys of those of us who have successfully avoided getting dragged into the MSFT web all these years.

 

 

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    Now onto Windows 9, Microsoft is currently in the process of developing Windows 9 alongside Update 2. Windows 9 was originally rumored to launch in Spring 2015, but due to the Chinese government's recent choice to ban Windows 8 from government production machines, Microsoft has entered what WZOR is calling "panic mode" which pretty much means the Windows team are a little worried about the fate of Windows 9.

     

    What does this mean? Well, it's possible that this choice by the Chinese government has affected the original release date of Windows 9.

     

    This choice by the Chinese government may also be the reason Microsoft has postponed the return of the Start Menu. The Start Menu was originally set to arrive with Update 2, but then was pulled for unknown reasons. Microsoft could be saving it for Windows 9 to make it more appealing for the Chinese government, and for marketing reasons too.

 

Not sure how the Chinese government's decision not to buy Windows 8 could affect Win9 so much that it would put Microsoft into "panic" mode. I can see them wanting to move up the release date, but why would this affect its "fate"? Anyone have an insight into this... or at least willing to speculate?  Wink

 

 

Windows 9 is in trouble, Microsoft to make drastic changes to its plans?

 

Some more info from the same blogger. China's anti-Win8 decree

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    has knocked Microsoft off their feet, and they are currently considering changing their plans regarding Windows 9. So far, the rumors claim that the ban has already put the original release date of Windows 9 in jeopardy, and Microsoft could be planning to make even more drastic changes to one of its SKU's.

     

    Mary Jo Foley has proclaimed that Microsoft will release Windows 9 in three different variants, a normal traditional SKU, a touch based SKU and an Enterprise Edition SKU. We don't know much about the first two SKU's, but rumors are claiming that the Enterprise Edition of Windows 9 will be the one that is hit with Microsoft's drastic decision making the most.

     

    According to WZOR, Windows 9 Enterprise Edition could potentially see the removal of cloud-based integration within the operating system, along with the ability to completely disable the Modern UI 2.0.

[emphasis added]

 

If WZOR is right, then China may have done a favor to Windows users all over the world!

 
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« Reply #109 on: June 26, 2014, 07:12:29 PM »


The Chinese Government has banned Windows 8 from it's machines (That alone speaks volumes)

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It speaks far more of politics than anything else.
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« Reply #110 on: June 27, 2014, 10:53:31 PM »

Hello.

No. the Chinese government has banned Windows 8 outright.
There are some internal functions that they decided against.
So, an export unit must get its Windows 8 installed outside of China.
But, this is the country that found out Rupert Murdock was trying to enter China, and taped the doors on the private jet closed.
They fueled it and told them to leave.
http://www.businessweek.com/stories/2008-04-11/how-rupert-murdoch-got-it-wrong-in-chinabusinessweek-business-news-stock-market-and-financial-advice
China is, after all, a Communist country.
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« Reply #111 on: June 27, 2014, 10:57:14 PM »

Think reading years ago that Russia banned all window products on government computers, only Linux based OSs.
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« Reply #112 on: June 27, 2014, 11:12:20 PM »

Hello.

Russia wanted to see the source code.
Micro$oft said no.
I disagree with Micro$oft on most things, but this one I can agree with.
Russia Allows both Unix and Linux.
France is the same way, they banned Micro$oft.
Prior to 2000, getting the details on how the OS worked was easy.
But, Micro$oft has this product key system in place, and it was easily cracked in 2000.
So, Micro$oft  made an informed decision.
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« Reply #113 on: June 27, 2014, 11:15:42 PM »

they did, but back then, win_xp was in widespread use.
& win_7 is now on the rise. ..

http://gs.statcounter.com/#desktop-os-RU-monthly-201305-201405

 
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« Reply #114 on: June 27, 2014, 11:23:08 PM »

Should have said within Government.
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« Reply #115 on: June 28, 2014, 01:45:53 PM »

So now those of us who purchased Win 8 laptops or desktops will be stuck with this dog of an OS.  Unless we happen to want to toss a couple of hundred bucks Microsoft's way for their "new and improved" retro Windows 9.    Kinda reminds me of the Windows ME fiasco.
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« Reply #116 on: June 28, 2014, 02:11:31 PM »

So now those of us who purchased Win 8 laptops or desktops will be stuck with this dog of an OS.  Unless we happen to want to toss a couple of hundred bucks Microsoft's way for their "new and improved" retro Windows 9.    Kinda reminds me of the Windows ME fiasco.


If you are waiting for retro Windoze you are in for a surprise because they are not going to move backwards. Metro is here to stay with tweaks
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« Reply #117 on: June 28, 2014, 02:26:29 PM »

If you are waiting for retro Windoze you are in for a surprise because they are not going to move backwards. Metro is here to stay with tweaks

That is not what it says here....

"Seems like Microsoft is paying attention.  Their execs--in some news reports--are admitting that even though Win 8.1 upgrade is a stable, efficient operating system, that still what a flop Win8/8.1/8.1 upgrade was and is.  According to that report, Win 9 is going to have two separate systems that can and will be set-up to exchange any and all data.  One system will run on traditional computers/laptops and the other on tablets/smartphones.

Let's see if that is indeed the case--or if Microsoft will now blow its legs off instead of just shooting itself in the foot by continuing the major mistake that is the Win 8 family in Win 9.

Oh, and BTW, other reports are that Win 9 is going to come out much sooner than it was scheduled to and that it will look like Win 7--not Win 8."

Added--Info link:  http://mashable.com/2014/04/05/microsoft-windows-8-retreat/


Also---------------------------

"These are just two of a set of interesting articles concerning Windows--

Windows 9 coming in 2015, will try its hardest to distance itself from the Windows 8 train wreck

and

The Start menu will return
in new Desktop-optimized version of Windows 8.2

...According to Foley’s sources, Threshold will see Windows 8.2 (or Windows 9 perhaps) split into three SKUs (stock-keeping units): a Modern/Metro SKU, a traditional desktop PC SKU, and a traditional enterprise SKU. The Metro version would be focused on the Metro interface, WinRT apps, and the mobile/touchscreen experience. The traditional desktop PC version would be a lot like Windows 7, but with Windows 8′s low-level tweaks. The traditional enterprise version would be Desktop-oriented (but still have a Metro interface), and have support for group policies and other business-oriented bits...."

http://www.extremetech.com/tag/windows-9

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« Reply #118 on: June 28, 2014, 02:43:08 PM »

I do not miss start menu at all. Do to understand all the fuss. I guess a lot of users are technically challenged.
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« Reply #119 on: June 28, 2014, 03:03:35 PM »

I do not miss start menu at all. Do to understand all the fuss. I guess a lot of users are technically challenged.

Hello.

Windows was introduced for the technically challenged, that was the entire point.
DOS was good enough for some.
But, for the computer to go mainstream and move into everyone's home, it had to become easy to use.
This adding features for the sake of adding features has to stop.
The era of adding features that are actually useful is has pretty much ended for Micro$oft.
XP with Works was pretty much it for most users who will never need any more.

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