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Author Topic: Why is Win 8 bad?  (Read 83376 times)
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« Reply #150 on: July 01, 2014, 11:03:41 AM »

Then I get "why didn't you answer the phone?" I've used the excuse "my battery must have run down".


I simply tell them I left phone home.
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« Reply #151 on: July 01, 2014, 10:03:44 PM »

Did Microsoft just admit Windows 8 is its worst operating system ever??.
http://blogs.computerworld.com/windows/24088/did-microsoft-just-admit-windows-8-worst-operating-system-ever?utm_medium=referral&utm_source=t.co

"The change is essentially Microsoft's admission that Windows 8 has been a failure. It's the biggest turnaround that Microsoft has ever made when it comes to operating systems, nearly the equivalent of if the company had reverted back to DOS after the release of Windows.".
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« Reply #152 on: July 02, 2014, 04:41:56 AM »

Did Microsoft just admit Windows 8 is its worst operating system ever??.
http://blogs.computerworld.com/windows/24088/did-microsoft-just-admit-windows-8-worst-operating-system-ever?utm_medium=referral&utm_source=t.co

"The change is essentially Microsoft's admission that Windows 8 has been a failure. It's the biggest turnaround that Microsoft has ever made when it comes to operating systems, nearly the equivalent of if the company had reverted back to DOS after the release of Windows.".


Not hardly. Nothing wrong with 8 in concept it is just you have a lot of users that are not very literate with them and change has scared them. Problem is if 8 was like 7 it would of buried any chance for windows in tablet and smart phone market. Those bitching about it lack insight to realize that PC is a shrinking market and smart phone and tablet devices are future and in that future 7 style GUI has zero potential.
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« Reply #153 on: July 02, 2014, 05:55:58 AM »

Did Microsoft just admit Windows 8 is its worst operating system ever??.
http://blogs.computerworld.com/windows/24088/did-microsoft-just-admit-windows-8-worst-operating-system-ever?utm_medium=referral&utm_source=t.co

"The change is essentially Microsoft's admission that Windows 8 has been a failure. It's the biggest turnaround that Microsoft has ever made when it comes to operating systems, nearly the equivalent of if the company had reverted back to DOS after the release of Windows.".

Agree wholeheartedly with the article.   The major 'goof' was the GUI, but the whole OS was problematic when it came time to make user adjustments.  It was, in effect, forcing the consumer to adapt overnight to a whole new OS, an OS with a GUI essentially unchanged since Windows 95. 

And some people wonder why it bombed!
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« Reply #154 on: July 02, 2014, 07:13:10 AM »

Did Microsoft just admit Windows 8 is its worst operating system ever??.
http://blogs.computerworld.com/windows/24088/did-microsoft-just-admit-windows-8-worst-operating-system-ever?utm_medium=referral&utm_source=t.co

"The change is essentially Microsoft's admission that Windows 8 has been a failure. It's the biggest turnaround that Microsoft has ever made when it comes to operating systems, nearly the equivalent of if the company had reverted back to DOS after the release of Windows.".


Not hardly. Nothing wrong with 8 in concept it is just you have a lot of users that are not very literate with them and change has scared them. Problem is if 8 was like 7 it would of buried any chance for windows in tablet and smart phone market. Those bitching about it lack insight to realize that PC is a shrinking market and smart phone and tablet devices are future and in that future 7 style GUI has zero potential.

So, you are saying that the touch interface is appropriate for every platform. Interesting.
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« Reply #155 on: July 02, 2014, 09:27:49 AM »

So the widespread dissatisfaction with Win 8 is the consumer's fault?  Hmmm, maybe the same consumers who didn't like the 'New Coke' back in the '80s?  There are so many that don't like nor want Win 8 that it's not just a illiterate or lazy consumer issue. 

And even if Win 8 is a perfect platform, if consumers don't like it then the onus is on Microsoft to create an OS that better satisfies consumer preferences.  Betamax was a better standard than VHS, but in the end that did not matter because markets are driven by consumers.
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« Reply #156 on: July 02, 2014, 10:02:22 AM »

The customer is always right. If you don't build what the customer wants then somebody else will and you will be out of business. It doesn't matter how big you are.

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« Reply #157 on: July 02, 2014, 11:03:34 AM »

The customer is always right. If you don't build what the customer wants then somebody else will and you will be out of business. It doesn't matter how big you are.



MS spends more on marketing than most computer company's entire budget. They have apparently managed to convince millions of people that MS Windows is the only thing in existance, or the rest are worse than Windows OS.

If they hadn't, they would be out of business due to Vista, etc.
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« Reply #158 on: July 02, 2014, 11:08:53 AM »

If a touch screen phone and tablet was not such a big market Apple would not of seen its stock go from 5 bucks to over 700 at times in last 6 years or so. Google has made a fortune too. MS largely ignored that market by clinging to XP style GUI. PC market is shrinking like it or not and MS will fade if it does not transition to new platform.

As far as Vista, it was fine after SP 1. Dell did a lot of damage when they rushed to market with systems that DID NOT have Vista compliant chipsets. HP waited for proper chipsets.
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« Reply #159 on: July 02, 2014, 11:52:35 AM »

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If a touch screen phone and tablet was not such a big market Apple would not of seen its stock go from 5 bucks to over 700 at times in last 6 years or so. Google has made a fortune too.

Why couldn't Microsoft sell touch BEFORE Ipad came out? They had the chance, they tried

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MS largely ignored that market by clinging to XP style GUI.

An XP gui would have worked. As I said before all you need to do is alter the icon size. 3 mouse clicks, job done
The Metro interface is a prime example of dumbing down the computer. Its OK for Facebook and Angry Birds nothing else. Certainly not work.
"Apps" are only castrated programs when all said and done

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PC market is shrinking

Wrong! The PC market has levelled and the touch market is reaching saturation. There will always be a demand for PCs as long as businesses use computers.

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As far as Vista, it was fine after SP 1. Dell did a lot of damage when they rushed to market with systems that DID NOT have Vista compliant chipsets. HP waited for proper chipsets.

Another example of Microsoft blaming everyone else but themselves. Hell they even tried to blame the OEMs for Win8's failure at one stage

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I'm glad the world is responding to their "Emperor's New Clothes" scheme in a rational manner.  The sheeple aren't quite as dumb as Microsoft Marketing hopes

A Marketing guy was in charge, after the Engineer excused himself to go chase mosquitos (more power to ya, Bill), so Marketing drove the bus.  Engineers take everything into account.  Marketeers don' listen to nobody.

 
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« Reply #160 on: July 02, 2014, 12:23:41 PM »

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MS largely ignored that market by clinging to XP style GUI.

No...Microsoft (in all it's arrogance) largely ignored their customers who liked the XP GUI so much that they did not want to give up XP.

So instead of Microsoft bringing back the preferred traditional XP GUI that customers wanted (and still want).....

They came up with with this mess called Metro without any input from consumers or from their corporate customers. And yet once gain they miss the marketplace by a mile in their typical "take it or leave" arrogant approach. And it ended up biting them in the ass big time.
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« Reply #161 on: July 02, 2014, 01:54:20 PM »

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MS largely ignored that market by clinging to XP style GUI.

No...Microsoft (in all it's arrogance) largely ignored their customers who liked the XP GUI so much that they did not want to give up XP.

So instead of Microsoft bringing back the preferred traditional XP GUI that customers wanted (and still want).....

They came up with with this mess called Metro without any input from consumers or from their corporate customers. And yet once gain they miss the marketplace by a mile in their typical "take it or leave" arrogant approach. And it ended up biting them in the ass big time.

You TOTALLY miss point again. If MS stayed blindly with dated and uninspiring XP style GUI they would be signing their death warrant. Desktop as we knew it is dying and to bet farm on its resurgence is a very bad wager. Metro is future and it will evolve as old mouse GUI did.
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« Reply #162 on: July 02, 2014, 02:16:58 PM »

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You TOTALLY miss point again. If MS stayed blindly with dated and uninspiring XP style GUI they would be signing their death warrant. Desktop as we knew it is dying and to bet farm on its resurgence is a very bad wager. Metro is future and it will evolve as old mouse GUI did.

The XP style GUI may be dated and uninspiring but if something is right, why alter it.
Metro is a dead end. You are talking about Metro evolving. it's not. It's turning into a clone of the true windows frame. In other words "De-evolution"
Windows 7 sales figures proved your statement
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If MS stayed blindly with dated and uninspiring XP style GUI they would be signing their death warrant.
to be load of marketeers baloney
Another question why is Win7's figures going up faster than XP's figures going down despite Microsoft's attempts to strangle Win7 out of the retail channel?


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« Reply #163 on: July 02, 2014, 02:35:04 PM »

Most of the systems on the Dell website have Windows 7 as their offered system.  Windows 8 is an upgrade--that isn't recommended. 

It seems that Dell knows what their customers want, and it isn't Windows 8--or 8.1.
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« Reply #164 on: July 02, 2014, 03:19:59 PM »

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You TOTALLY miss point again. If MS stayed blindly with dated and uninspiring XP style GUI they would be signing their death warrant. Desktop as we knew it is dying and to bet farm on its resurgence is a very bad wager. Metro is future and it will evolve as old mouse GUI did.

The XP style GUI may be dated and uninspiring but if something is right, why alter it.
Metro is a dead end. You are talking about Metro evolving. it's not. It's turning into a clone of the true windows frame. In other words "De-evolution"
Windows 7 sales figures proved your statement
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If MS stayed blindly with dated and uninspiring XP style GUI they would be signing their death warrant.
to be load of marketeers baloney
Another question why is Win7's figures going up faster than XP's figures going down despite Microsoft's attempts to strangle Win7 out of the retail channel?

Again desktop is a dying market and no future in basing you business model on it for development. There will always be cry babies to change no escaping it. As far a strangling 7 out of market it is kinda stupid to buy 7 because a new generation of software being written only runs on 8x and future versions. You lock yourself out of a lot of new and coming software clinging to past. Bet you want 8 track tapes back too.
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