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Author Topic: is the icom 718 a good choice for a new ham ?  (Read 73902 times)
K5TED
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« Reply #30 on: September 13, 2014, 03:34:15 PM »

Forget the 718. Look for a good used FT450D or AT.

If $100 makes or breaks your radio purchase, save your money, get your finances in order, and be patient.
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SWL2002
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« Reply #31 on: September 14, 2014, 10:20:53 AM »

Get an Icom 7200.
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K4PIH
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« Reply #32 on: September 17, 2014, 08:52:16 AM »

I just went back and read this whole thread from a critical standpoint. Two things jump out to me.

The first being the 718. Seems like some people can only bad mouth others equipment for whatever reason. I personally bought a new 718 and it is a great all-around fun rig that is not too complicated. I look at ham radios like I look at cars. The more crap you add, the more crap that will break. When was the last time your hand-crank car window burned out the electric motor?

The second thing that hit me was the total contempt for CB radio. Yeah I chuckle at all the names people use to illustrate their lack of knowledge about CB. Yeah they have their losers, but you can scan any ham band and find a bunch of them there as well.

Not to drag this into a Ham VS CB debate. So buy a radio that suits you. You don't have to spend a ton of money to get a good servicable radio.
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« Reply #33 on: September 17, 2014, 06:11:18 PM »

I just went back and read this whole thread from a critical standpoint. Two things jump out to me.

The first being the 718. Seems like some people can only bad mouth others equipment for whatever reason. I personally bought a new 718 and it is a great all-around fun rig that is not too complicated. I look at ham radios like I look at cars. The more crap you add, the more crap that will break. When was the last time your hand-crank car window burned out the electric motor?

The second thing that hit me was the total contempt for CB radio. Yeah I chuckle at all the names people use to illustrate their lack of knowledge about CB. Yeah they have their losers, but you can scan any ham band and find a bunch of them there as well.

Not to drag this into a Ham VS CB debate. So buy a radio that suits you. You don't have to spend a ton of money to get a good servicable radio.
  Agree on that 718!  Lots of bang for the buck.  And I wonder what percentage of today's hams actually started out on CB?
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« Reply #34 on: October 10, 2014, 03:12:00 AM »

Get the radio with the best measured performance for the dollar.

Radio performance is a science not related to CB  radio experience  or Voodoo.

But if you feel that your ears can assess a radios performance better than a Agilent test instruments,  you should produce the numbers and if one ear or two ears were used. You also need to  tell us what ear is deaf and when your ears were calibrated by a NIST lab. I am all ears for  the hearing test methods if it can be made repeatable.

So far all that I have found is that there are either a lot of deaf hams out their who must buy a lot of faulty equipment.  I have never found a cheap low specification radio with the performance level of a CB radio that outperformed a high performance ham radio. I also have never come across a modern radio that could out hear another  radio. Neither have I come across a radio detecting a  signal that any other radio could not. I would like to buy one of these super hearing radios that out hears everything else, that must have been some special radio that fell out of the UFO in Area 51. Every time  I  visit hams with these special radio brands,  when I get there I find that they have S5 or higher noise levels in their receivers. How their super radios perform and hear these whispering voices in all this noise is beyond my understanding of the laws of physics.

What I will say is that a radio like a IC718 or even a Atlas 210X if not overloaded will hear everything that a IC7800, TS990S or  K3 will hear.  Then when the receiver goes into blocking you will know how crap your radio is. Since most hams who own a IC718 dont own a decent receiver with a  high IM3 dynamic range they will never  know that their radios are blocking. How they determine that this cheap radio is so good is beyond understanding,  its voodoo nonsense.

Lets be realistic the most affordable high performance receiver  in a transceiver that you can buy today is a radio like a TS590S or KX3. What 10,000 dollar radios outperform these 2 radio models? Likewise what cheap radios perform better than   a radio like a TS590S that  can be got for under 1000 dollars? Emotional brand bias and voodoo does not cut it in this day and age. You can use that logic up on the CB band where anything with a macho name and no performance sells.




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« Reply #35 on: October 10, 2014, 09:53:47 PM »

So at this current time the kenwood  ts 590s and the elecraft kx3 are the best  affordable  hf radios for their price point? Is this purely based for cw or is this advice also good for SSB and digital modes?  I will be upgrading my  license hopefully  on the 15th of October and  I have been reading the manual of the Kenwood ts 590s and  i liked what I read.   I know the Elecraft kx3 is a nice radio but I had thought  it was way out of my price point and would need a lot of optional  accessories too.  I don't have the  option of visiting a ham shop locally to kick in the tires  and test these rigs and  take  what Is said <even if it gets  heated>  to task  from hams that are  experienced  to know .   Would i consider the ts 590 sg  being that now the ts590  is discontinued or   for a first new hf radio   take advantage of the lower price point?
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« Reply #36 on: October 14, 2014, 04:37:25 PM »

In the same price range. The 450D or AT is a much better HF radio than the 718.

I like ICOM HF radios, have lots of them. But the 450 is better value than the 718.
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« Reply #37 on: October 14, 2014, 04:58:00 PM »

In the same price range. The 450D or AT is a much better HF radio than the 718.

I like ICOM HF radios, have lots of them. But the 450 is better value than the 718.

I would not be so generous with 450. It is a basic entry level rig at best like 718 and nothing more.
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« Reply #38 on: October 14, 2014, 06:26:10 PM »

KQ4KK is right, the 450 is a much better rig.  It contains many features as standard that are optional on the 718, or not available at all on the 718.  What is one thing that the 718 does better than the 450?

John AF5CC
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