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« Reply #60 on: October 22, 2014, 04:29:19 AM »


A correction.. GnuLinux. --Linux- is the kernel that Android is based on. Be specific.

And yes, I don't think GnuLinux or Mac OS will gain any significant increase of the desktop userbase. But then, versions of Android may morph into desktop OSen.

While Android has Linux roots, so does OS2, it is not called Linux.

Android doesn't just have "Linux roots", it has a Linux kernel. Whether it is called Linux or not doesn't change that fact.

Now, maybe you can tell us all how OS2 has "Linux roots".

You are stretching things a lot here. Future versions of Android may make inroads in desktop in future but Windows will be main force.

That is probably true, but not certain.

And AGAIN, how is "Linux ugly"?
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« Reply #61 on: October 22, 2014, 04:42:33 AM »


A correction.. GnuLinux. --Linux- is the kernel that Android is based on. Be specific.

And yes, I don't think GnuLinux or Mac OS will gain any significant increase of the desktop userbase. But then, versions of Android may morph into desktop OSen.

While Android has Linux roots, so does OS2, it is not called Linux.

Android doesn't just have "Linux roots", it has a Linux kernel. Whether it is called Linux or not doesn't change that fact.

Now, maybe you can tell us all how OS2 has "Linux roots".

You are stretching things a lot here. Future versions of Android may make inroads in desktop in future but Windows will be main force.

That is probably true, but not certain.

And AGAIN, how is "Linux ugly"?

Actually OS2 is based on Unix design which linux is based off of too. (I used and like OS2 in 90's and found it a better OS than Windows but lacked mainstream support) It was a command line OS than a Shell was built for. What hurts Linux a lot is no universal support. There are many flavors of it with different GUI's so there is no real standard. Until Linux crystallizes around one design/GUI it will never get beyond niche status. I am not saying Linux is bad but I am saying that because of limited support it is a poor choice for home usage.
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« Reply #62 on: October 22, 2014, 04:48:04 AM »

True, but W8JX doesn't seem to know the difference between the kernel and a distribution.

You seem to have trouble with names. Mac OS has roots in Linix/Unix but it is called and consider Mac OS. It has been modified as has Android and is no longer considered Linux by anyone other than those trying to pump up Linux's foot print. BTW, black berry 10.x runs most Android apps and has for some time but it is not Linux.

I don't have trouble with names.

Not only does MacOS have roots in Unix (Unix, not Linux), it is a certified UNIX.

Android uses a Linux kernel. Again, you need to learn the difference between a GNLinux distribution, the Linux kernel and other systems that use a Linux kernel.

BTW, I can run many Windows apps under Opensuse 13.1, and it's not called Windows. Maybe you can figure out why.
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« Reply #63 on: October 22, 2014, 04:58:29 AM »


A correction.. GnuLinux. --Linux- is the kernel that Android is based on. Be specific.

And yes, I don't think GnuLinux or Mac OS will gain any significant increase of the desktop userbase. But then, versions of Android may morph into desktop OSen.

While Android has Linux roots, so does OS2, it is not called Linux.

Android doesn't just have "Linux roots", it has a Linux kernel. Whether it is called Linux or not doesn't change that fact.

Now, maybe you can tell us all how OS2 has "Linux roots".

You are stretching things a lot here. Future versions of Android may make inroads in desktop in future but Windows will be main force.

That is probably true, but not certain.

And AGAIN, how is "Linux ugly"?

Actually OS2 is based on Unix design which linux is based off of too. (I used and like OS2 in 90's and found it a better OS than Windows but lacked mainstream support) It was a command line OS than a Shell was built for. What hurts Linux a lot is no universal support. There are many flavors of it with different GUI's so there is no real standard. Until Linux crystallizes around one design/GUI it will never get beyond niche status. I am not saying Linux is bad but I am saying that because of limited support it is a poor choice for home usage.

You really should explain what YOU mean by "based on Unix design" so we all know what you think you are talking about.

You also need to define "universal support".

You also need to define "design/GUI".

You also need to define "limited support".

Once you provide the above, then a conversation may be possible.

And AGAIN, how is "Linux ugly"?
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« Reply #64 on: October 22, 2014, 05:16:55 AM »

As far as Ugly I do not recall saying that but you obsession with of trying to define various aspects of a OS means you are reaching for straws to try to save face. You are trying to put a nice spin on Linux but because it is open source and has no universal standards or GUI's it will never be more than a niche OS. I ran a NT4 file and proxy server here until 2008 when lightning took it out. I was a old dual cpu system using two 500 mhz celerons and 3 hard drives.   NT4 worked fine for this as Linux might of too but it was a lot more user unfriendly then.

I think you miss point here, if it has like no main stream support, it will never do well. One could develop a hydrogen powered car for mass market and it would be a zero emission vehicle but without market support it would be DOA.  
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« Reply #65 on: October 22, 2014, 06:34:05 AM »

As far as Ugly I do not recall saying that

You are absolutely correct on that. I incorrectly atributed a comment by another user to you. I apologize.

but you obsession with of trying to define various aspects of a OS means you are reaching for straws to try to save face.

Uh, no. I am trying to get you define the terms you are using so a logical conversion can be held.

You are trying to put a nice spin on Linux but because it is open source and has no universal standards or GUI's it will never be more than a niche OS.

It won't gain a much larger user base because it would have to compete against the network effects of an illegaly maintained monopoly.

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I ran a NT4 file and proxy server here until 2008 when lightning took it out. I was a old dual cpu system using two 500 mhz celerons and 3 hard drives.   NT4 worked fine for this as Linux might of too but it was a lot more user unfriendly then.
I think you miss point here, if it has like no main stream support, it will never do well. One could develop a hydrogen powered car for mass market and it would be a zero emission vehicle but without market support it would be DOA.  
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AGAIN... what do you mean by "main stream support"?
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« Reply #66 on: October 22, 2014, 07:51:23 AM »

I think what W8JX means by no "universal support" that there aren't institutions of paid engineers working to to improve Linux, fix bugs, help with installation and configuration, etc.  Linux is pretty much a toy OS, just some guy's hobby, that is occasionally hacked by college students.  Here are some examples of just how lacking support for Linux really is:

http://www.ubuntu.com/management
https://www.suse.com/
http://www.redhat.com/en/technologies/linux-platforms/enterprise-linux
http://www.oracle.com/us/technologies/linux/product/overview/index.html
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« Reply #67 on: October 22, 2014, 08:04:24 AM »

I think what W8JX means by no "universal support" that there aren't institutions of paid engineers working to to improve Linux, fix bugs, help with installation and configuration, etc.  Linux is pretty much a toy OS, just some guy's hobby, that is occasionally hacked by college students. 

Well put.
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« Reply #68 on: October 22, 2014, 08:53:04 AM »

I think what W8JX means by no "universal support" that there aren't institutions of paid engineers working to to improve Linux, fix bugs, help with installation and configuration, etc.  Linux is pretty much a toy OS, just some guy's hobby, that is occasionally hacked by college students.  

Well put.

Really? You really look at those links? Here, I will paste them here for you.

http://www.ubuntu.com/management
https://www.suse.com/
http://www.redhat.com/en/technologies/linux-platforms/enterprise-linux
http://www.oracle.com/us/technologies/linux/product/overview/index.html

You do realize that eham.net is running on a Linux distro, don't you. Toy OS indeed.

So, based on system support, and you agreeing to the statements above, you should agree Linux distros do indeed have mainstream support.
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« Reply #69 on: October 22, 2014, 11:24:40 AM »

I think what W8JX means by no "universal support" that there aren't institutions of paid engineers working to to improve Linux, fix bugs, help with installation and configuration, etc.  Linux is pretty much a toy OS, just some guy's hobby, that is occasionally hacked by college students.  

Well put.

Really? You really look at those links? Here, I will paste them here for you.

http://www.ubuntu.com/management
https://www.suse.com/
http://www.redhat.com/en/technologies/linux-platforms/enterprise-linux
http://www.oracle.com/us/technologies/linux/product/overview/index.html

You do realize that eham.net is running on a Linux distro, don't you. Toy OS indeed.

So, based on system support, and you agreeing to the statements above, you should agree Linux distros do indeed have mainstream support.

Once again what is used on a server and what is used at home is not related but you think it is.
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« Reply #70 on: October 22, 2014, 11:35:07 AM »

I think what W8JX means by no "universal support" that there aren't institutions of paid engineers working to to improve Linux, fix bugs, help with installation and configuration, etc.  Linux is pretty much a toy OS, just some guy's hobby, that is occasionally hacked by college students.  

Well put.

Really? You really look at those links? Here, I will paste them here for you.

http://www.ubuntu.com/management
https://www.suse.com/
http://www.redhat.com/en/technologies/linux-platforms/enterprise-linux
http://www.oracle.com/us/technologies/linux/product/overview/index.html

You do realize that eham.net is running on a Linux distro, don't you. Toy OS indeed.

So, based on system support, and you agreeing to the statements above, you should agree Linux distros do indeed have mainstream support.

Once again what is used on a server and what is used at home is not related but you think it is.

If the OS is not a toy OS when running on a server, it is not a toy OS when running at home.

And, again, based on system support, and you agreeing to the statements above, you should agree Linux distros do indeed have mainstream support.
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« Reply #71 on: October 22, 2014, 12:03:52 PM »

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You are trying to put a nice spin on Linux but because it is open source and has no universal standards or GUI's it will never be more than a niche OS.

Linux is in more places than Windows. Not bad for a niche OS.

TIVO
 TV
Routers
Cisco
MP3 Players
DVD players
Microwave Ovens
HVAC
Thermostats
Traffic Signals
Phones
Android
Medical Equipment
Vehicles
Google
Amazon
Practically all major web servers
New York Stock Exchange
The Military
Space Industries
City of Munich
FAA
Banks
Governments
State Governments
City Governments
US Postal Service
Schools
Computers
Chromebooks, web thin clients based on Linux
IBM
London Stock Exchange
NASA


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Linux_adopters
http://www.comparebusinessproducts.com/fyi/50-places-linux-running-you-might-not-expect
http://www.businessinsider.com/linux-based-devices-2011-7?op=1
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« Reply #72 on: October 22, 2014, 12:45:46 PM »

More obvious trolling from a master troll.
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« Reply #73 on: October 22, 2014, 02:39:37 PM »

Once again what is used on a server and what is used at home is not related but you think it is.

The above links to enterprise support are for both server AND desktop versions.

Which is not such a big deal because Linux on the desktop is essentially a Linux server without server software enabled.

And before you say "Well this support is for big money clients so typical home desktop users are SOL, especially those who don't pay" that is not true.  Bug fixes and improvements that are done on the enterprise side are propagated back to the free versions so everyone benefits.
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« Reply #74 on: October 22, 2014, 04:42:49 PM »

Once again what is used on a server and what is used at home is not related but you think it is.

The above links to enterprise support are for both server AND desktop versions.

Which is not such a big deal because Linux on the desktop is essentially a Linux server without server software enabled.

And before you say "Well this support is for big money clients so typical home desktop users are SOL, especially those who don't pay" that is not true.  Bug fixes and improvements that are done on the enterprise side are propagated back to the free versions so everyone benefits.

Again wishing does not make it so. Linux has less than 3% of home market (MAC has a little over 6%) which is a very small amount and it is not growing. Linux is a hobby OS on home front as market shows.

BTW MS server is less than 5% behind Linux is usage.
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