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Author Topic: FTDI Reportedly Bricking Devices Using Competitors' Chips.  (Read 38697 times)
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« Reply #15 on: October 24, 2014, 08:36:20 PM »

You are bricked to point a driver roll back will not fix it. A program that can that can rewrite PID can unbrick it for use with old drivers but it will never support updated drivers and will brick again if you use them.

And just how may users know why their cable no longer works, knows a utility exists, somewhere, to fix it, how to obtain that utility or how to use it? FTDI should have used a non-invasive solution in the first place.
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« Reply #16 on: October 25, 2014, 03:41:07 AM »

You are bricked to point a driver roll back will not fix it. A program that can that can rewrite PID can unbrick it for use with old drivers but it will never support updated drivers and will brick again if you use them.

And just how may users know why their cable no longer works, knows a utility exists, somewhere, to fix it, how to obtain that utility or how to use it? FTDI should have used a non-invasive solution in the first place.

To bad. Buy a new and legal adapter
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« Reply #17 on: October 25, 2014, 03:48:32 AM »

You are bricked to point a driver roll back will not fix it. A program that can that can rewrite PID can unbrick it for use with old drivers but it will never support updated drivers and will brick again if you use them.

And just how may users know why their cable no longer works, knows a utility exists, somewhere, to fix it, how to obtain that utility or how to use it? FTDI should have used a non-invasive solution in the first place.

To bad. Buy a new and legal adapter

And just how does the typical user know how to do that, Mr. Know It ALL?
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« Reply #18 on: October 25, 2014, 04:11:44 AM »

You are bricked to point a driver roll back will not fix it. A program that can that can rewrite PID can unbrick it for use with old drivers but it will never support updated drivers and will brick again if you use them.

And just how may users know why their cable no longer works, knows a utility exists, somewhere, to fix it, how to obtain that utility or how to use it? FTDI should have used a non-invasive solution in the first place.

To bad. Buy a new and legal adapter

And just how does the typical user know how to do that, Mr. Know It ALL?

Dah when it quits working replace it.  You fail to understand that you have no right to use stolen intellectual property. Discussing it further is pointless because you cannot grasp this fact.
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« Reply #19 on: October 25, 2014, 06:17:15 AM »

You are bricked to point a driver roll back will not fix it. A program that can that can rewrite PID can unbrick it for use with old drivers but it will never support updated drivers and will brick again if you use them.

And just how may users know why their cable no longer works, knows a utility exists, somewhere, to fix it, how to obtain that utility or how to use it? FTDI should have used a non-invasive solution in the first place.

To bad. Buy a new and legal adapter

And just how does the typical user know how to do that, Mr. Know It ALL?

Dah when it quits working replace it.  You fail to understand that you have no right to use stolen intellectual property. Discussing it further is pointless because you cannot grasp this fact.

Dah when FTDI bricks MY cable. THEY can play to replace it.

You fail to grasp the idea that FTDI has no right to alter my property. Have the driver stop working? Yes, file legal action against the clone makers? Yes. Alter MY property? No.
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« Reply #20 on: October 25, 2014, 06:30:20 PM »

Counterfeit chips can enter a device at any point in the supply chain. This isn't limited to people buying USB serial converters on ebay for their radios... there are literally thousands of types of devices that utilize chips like these. They could be in any number of consumer devices as well as industrial/medical/mechanical. Control systems, POS devices in stores, the computer interface for your spectrum analyzer, you name it. These chips are in all kinds of things and it's hardly incumbent on the end user of each device with an FTDI chip somewhere inside it to check it's authenticity in every case. Claiming that they should do so is just obtuse.

FTDI decided to attack the very end of the supply chain in the most aggressive manner possible and it didn't take them long to realize what a stupid decision it was.

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« Reply #21 on: October 26, 2014, 07:49:17 AM »

Counterfeit chips can enter a device at any point in the supply chain. This isn't limited to people buying USB serial converters on ebay for their radios... there are literally thousands of types of devices that utilize chips like these. They could be in any number of consumer devices as well as industrial/medical/mechanical. Control systems, POS devices in stores, the computer interface for your spectrum analyzer, you name it. These chips are in all kinds of things and it's hardly incumbent on the end user of each device with an FTDI chip somewhere inside it to check it's authenticity in every case. Claiming that they should do so is just obtuse.

FTDI decided to attack the very end of the supply chain in the most aggressive manner possible and it didn't take them long to realize what a stupid decision it was.



Not stupid at all. Wise move as it will pressure vendors to use correct parts. The stupid part is corporate and business laws and loop holes that makes it hard to prosecute counterfeit suppliers.
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« Reply #22 on: October 26, 2014, 10:24:08 AM »

'JX....  that only punishes the end consumer, who is a victim in this case.... and it does NOTHING to solve the problem.  In the end it hurts the end user as much as the company that held the rights to intellectual property that was violated.

Do you honestly believe that people purposely buy products that have used pirated intellectual property???  Do you honest;u believe that folks who shop for the best prices are knowingly doing so to promote illlegal activities?

You're the consummate internet troll.  A complete idiot! 
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« Reply #23 on: October 26, 2014, 11:04:44 AM »

'JX....  that only punishes the end consumer, who is a victim in this case.... and it does NOTHING to solve the problem.  In the end it hurts the end user as much as the company that held the rights to intellectual property that was violated.

Do you honestly believe that people purposely buy products that have used pirated intellectual property???  Do you honest;u believe that folks who shop for the best prices are knowingly doing so to promote illlegal activities?

You're the consummate internet troll.  A complete idiot! 

You are troll here. I state facts on this that you do not like and promote the intellectual property of another company being stolen and those that do it get free ride and profits while creator suffers. You are one twisted here. FTDI's site has a utility to reset chip and let you use old drivers but it will not support current and future driver's.
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« Reply #24 on: October 26, 2014, 11:27:53 AM »

The shoe fits, wear it... stop trying to blame innocent victims for proprietary thefts.  Your MST shilling and constant harping have pretty much outed you as being a trouble maker.  You want to generate dissension?  Then live with what you sow..
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« Reply #25 on: October 26, 2014, 11:52:35 AM »

You are bricked to point a driver roll back will not fix it. A program that can that can rewrite PID can unbrick it for use with old drivers but it will never support updated drivers and will brick again if you use them.

And just how may users know why their cable no longer works, knows a utility exists, somewhere, to fix it, how to obtain that utility or how to use it? FTDI should have used a non-invasive solution in the first place.

To bad. Buy a new and legal adapter

And just how does the typical user know how to do that, Mr. Know It ALL?

Dah when it quits working replace it.  You fail to understand that you have no right to use stolen intellectual property. Discussing it further is pointless because you cannot grasp this fact.

And AGAIN how does a typical user know how to do that? Buy a cable that is labeled as genuine FTDI? Oops, cables labeled as having genuine FTDI chips have been bricked. Check the VID/PID before you plug it in? (as if an average user would know to do that). Oops, incorrect numbers given. FTDI was asked for a list of manufactures that buy only from FTDI approved suppliers. They refused. So tell me, how is an end user supposed to know it the cable he/she just bought is "legal"?
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« Reply #26 on: October 26, 2014, 03:22:30 PM »

You are bricked to point a driver roll back will not fix it. A program that can that can rewrite PID can unbrick it for use with old drivers but it will never support updated drivers and will brick again if you use them.

And just how may users know why their cable no longer works, knows a utility exists, somewhere, to fix it, how to obtain that utility or how to use it? FTDI should have used a non-invasive solution in the first place.

To bad. Buy a new and legal adapter

And just how does the typical user know how to do that, Mr. Know It ALL?

Dah when it quits working replace it.  You fail to understand that you have no right to use stolen intellectual property. Discussing it further is pointless because you cannot grasp this fact.

And AGAIN how does a typical user know how to do that? Buy a cable that is labeled as genuine FTDI? Oops, cables labeled as having genuine FTDI chips have been bricked. Check the VID/PID before you plug it in? (as if an average user would know to do that). Oops, incorrect numbers given. FTDI was asked for a list of manufactures that buy only from FTDI approved suppliers. They refused. So tell me, how is an end user supposed to know it the cable he/she just bought is "legal"?

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Again BLAME VENDOR that sold it. They warrant it not FTDI.
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« Reply #27 on: October 26, 2014, 04:34:11 PM »

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Again BLAME VENDOR that sold it. They warrant it not FTDI.

And how is the vendor that sold the cable supposed to know?
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« Reply #28 on: October 26, 2014, 05:10:16 PM »

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Again BLAME VENDOR that sold it. They warrant it not FTDI.

And how is the vendor that sold the cable supposed to know?
There is a "thing" in business called "due diligence"  that is how...  Look it up my friend. 
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Due_diligence
See the section under commercial property...  Really...  The seller should be looking into what they sell...
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« Reply #29 on: October 26, 2014, 05:23:31 PM »

B
Again BLAME VENDOR that sold it. They warrant it not FTDI.

And how is the vendor that sold the cable supposed to know?
There is a "thing" in business called "due diligence"  that is how...  Look it up my friend. 
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Due_diligence
See the section under commercial property...  Really...  The seller should be looking into what they sell...

I think you might want to start reading the various reports about the situation. Regardless, you are welcome to your opinion.
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