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Some way to use 20-30 watts for FT8 but, how much power do you truthfully use when operating FT8?

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FT8 QRO!

I use around 300W on FT8, as it keeps my
fellow Europeans with their megaWatts from
overcoming and swamping my signal!
Posted by MM0IMC on 2019-08-30

FT8 Power

I use as much power as I need to make the contact.
Posted by NT9E on 2019-04-09

FT8 Power Levels

As a theoretical concept,
FT8 appeals to the QRP'er
in me, but I can do the
same thing on HF, with CW.
I've made many DX qso's
with 1-5 watts on CW, even
out to 10,000 miles with
simple wire antennas and
ground mounted verticals
with as little as 1/2-1
watt output. DXCC with QRP
and simple antennas, on CW,
is not difficult. FT8 on HF
doesn't interest me,
however I'd like to try it
out on 6 & 2 meters, where
I think it may have the
potential to unlock hidden
propagation.
Posted by WA4DOU on 2019-04-05

FT8 - a novel mode

having been a ham for over 50 years, I still
remember the thrill of my first CW contact,
my first DX contact on AM phone, etc.
Interests have peaked and waned over the
years, but APRS peaked my interest and I
helped Bob Bruninga where I could in the
beginning, and I still use that mode on my
boat today. I ran packet boards when that was
a big thing and now I am enthralled with FT8.
Great mode for my style of operating.
Posted by WB3V on 2019-02-16

FT8

I had heart surgery in July of 15, and I got
off radio for two years. when I got back on,
I found psk31 and FT8. well I still use the
phone section and talk to a lot of folks and
check into a lot of nets.that said, I love
FT8 cause it is so simple, and I'm a
simpleman soooo,there. oh yea I am not
chasing any awards.I am having FUUUNN.again.
Posted by KK4KSN on 2018-11-23

"Don't use" answer

FT-8 is another great way to take advantage
of weak signal work, especially (to me)
during seemingly bad propagation. I have
used it once or twice to get a taste, but
don't currently use it and it has nothing to
do with what it is other than the fact that
it doesn't fit my type of operating desires
right now.
That said, I did and would use it at the <1W
or 1-10W levels, likely the latter given the
lower limit of the HF rig in my shack. That
seems to be where the fun would be, how far
can you get on especially the <1W level. If
I did portable QRP or could go lower than 1W
easily in the shack, I'd be there when I use
FT-8.
I think many of us know that just because
you don't hear someone on a band, the band
isn't necessarily dead. From my experience
in that, if the path is there it may well be
good for voice, and very likely for CW, so
you can exchange a lot more info in that vs.
FT-8. FT-8 fits fine for just getting the
QSO, somewhat like DXpedition contacts.
Unless I was really dying to get a contact
no matter what, running 1kW of FT-8 just
seems - wrong. In my opinion, or style, of
course.
I just wanted to share the fact that because
I checked the "don't use" box doesn't mean
that I don't have any intention of using FT-
8 and if/when I do, there ya go on the power
levels!
73
Posted by N0JY on 2018-11-20

Addictive

FT8 is addictive but like most addictions, it
is not very satisfying.
Posted by K4IA on 2018-11-16

Wattage choices?

You should run the minimum necessary power to
complete the communication. I believe that is
the proper procedure.
Posted by KB2CRK on 2018-11-15

I don't use FT8

I prefer modes where I actually could talk to people.
Posted by W4KYR on 2018-11-15

FT8 Power LOL

If FT8 were the only mode we were allowed or
if we were required to make one FT8 contact a
week I would just go operate CB Radio & never
use Amateur Radio ever again.My computer does
NOT have a license & I will NOT be allowing it
to make ANY contacts period.I'll take the
Children's Band any day over a single FT8
contact ever.
Posted by W4KVW on 2018-11-13

all modes are fun

After almost 60 years, most of it on CW and chasing DX,it has been my experience that getting those last entities is easier on CW than on FT8. Working any rarer DX takes about the same finesse on either mode. I prefer CW - the recent Dulcie dx-pedition was a good example, had them in the log on CW in 5 minutes, never did on FT8. Same vapid argument in the 50's and 60's against SSB.
Posted by K1FT on 2018-11-13

ft-8 hahahahaha

About the worst mode if you can call it that I've ever seen grace the hf bands.
You see op's writing up heard vk???? .. really you heard vk???? at -35db or whatever below the noise floor.
Wish I had your hearing.
Its a joke of a mode, switch on a pc and radio and claim every dxcc credit using this pathetic mode.... TRY CALLING CQ AND LISTENING.
Posted by MI0GTA on 2018-11-10

less challenging

Nice mode but not for me.It's much less
challenging to work dx .With phone,CW or RTTY
is much more fun/challenging and you need a
certain level of operating practice which you
don't need with FT8. One advantage is treu,
you don't have to invest in gear to work dx. I
tried several times but i returned to the
traditional modes,much more exciting and you
get much more satisfaction.
Posted by PA3HGT on 2018-11-09

FT-8

I don't use FT-8. I don't even have a Yaesu FT-8. But I still think PSK31 is a great improvement over PSK 3.0 and Feld Hell has frozen over.
Posted by N3EG on 2018-11-06

DX with poor antenna.

I'm stuck with a poor antenna.
I have a 200w radio that I run at 50w and
increase to 100 if absolutely needed. I
have never completed a contact at 150+ watts
that I couldn't complete at 75, so I see no
point in increasing above 75 or so, not that
I pay attention to the actual number on the
meter.
Posted by KL1T on 2018-11-06

age out

I think we will eventually "age out" on the
issues of digital vs cw vs phone modes.
Posted by KT4EP on 2018-11-05

Agree with KK4FGF

Yes what does "other" mean? ALL power ranges
are covered, how can there be an "other"?
The "I don't use FT8" is just an out for the
mode bashers, irrelevant to the question.


Posted by WB4M on 2018-11-04

10 to 20

I have no need for more than 20 watts. I am
blessed not to have restrictions and I have
good antennas. Has the "no digital" thing
been beaten to death already? I was a
communications technician in the Navy and I
see some of these digital modes very similar
to what we used in the 70's. I was off the
air for 15 years due to work and family
reasons and when I got back on in 2010 I was
not happy with what I was hearing on the ssb
phone bands. Forget CW, I was never
interested in it but did get to almost 20 wpm
when I opted for my advanced class call in
1993. We moved the QTH and I had to leave
radio behind for a while. I "discovered"
psk31 in 2010 and having fun since then with
the other digital modes. ((If you want to
watch paint dry faster, try Olivia, I've used
it and it's another great mode)). CW is just
a subset of the rest of ham radio. Have fun
whatever you do.
Posted by KT4EP on 2018-11-04

FT-8 Power

I wonder how many FT-8 OPs realize FT-8 has a
100% duty cycle ? Running more than the
recommended AM power of the transceiver is
asking for trouble. Keep those replacement
finals handy.
Posted by K2PMC on 2018-10-31

FT8 Duty Cycle

FT8 tx/rx duty cycle is 50% maximum (15 sec tx, 15 sec rx). Most transmitters are not limited to the AM power limits for FT8.
Posted by AA4PB on 2018-10-31

Kinda useless mode!

I have never used FT8 and may never as I find it pointless... Not much room for conversation and its like speed bees jumping from flower to flower.... W8GRI
Posted by KB8DNS on 2018-10-30

KB8DNS

"...Not much room for conversation and its like speed bees
jumping from flower to flower..."

That's just the way things are these days, I'm sorry to say.
We have everyone so engrossed with their hand-held
addictions, that the art of one-on-one human
conversation & Interaction is now considered to be passe.

Why telephone someone, when you can simply text them,
right...? Ditto Ham radio: why engage in an actual one-on-
one QSO, when you can simply go on FT8...?

Or at least, that's the way that I understand it to be.

And best of all...? You can STILL have your other addiction
close at hand, i.e. your personal computer. Talk about a
"win-win" situation...!
Posted by VE3CUI on 2018-10-30

Kinda useless mode!

I have never used FT8 and may never as I find it pointless... Not much room for conversation and its like speed bees jumping from flower to flower.... W8GRI
Posted by KB8DNS on 2018-10-29

FT8 rulez the bands...

...and with good reason: It works and is fun.

Digital modes and SDR are the future of amateur radio.
Heck, they are cathing on like wild-fire as I type!

Why all the fear and loathing? Hams have been avant-
garde, pioneering, lets-do-it since the spark days. Let’s
continue the fine example of our hamcesters :-)

Me? 100% digital since 2011. Would love to get back
into SSB dx’ing once I can pump +++watts into the yagi.

30-55W btw.

73 Chris



Posted by ZS1DX on 2018-10-27

FT8 rulez the bands...

...and with good reason: It works and is fun.

Digital modes and SDR are the future of amateur radio.
Heck, they are cathing on like wild-fire as I type!

Why all the fear and loathing? Hams have been avant-
garde, pioneering, lets-do-it since the spark days. Let’s
continue the fine example of our hamcesters :-)

Me? 100% digital since 2011. Would love to get back
into SSB dx’ing once I can pump +++watts into the yagi.

30-55W btw.

73 Chris



Posted by ZS1DX on 2018-10-27

FT8 rulez the bands...

...and with good reason: It works and is fun.

Digital modes and SDR are the future of amateur radio.
Heck, they are cathing on like wild-fire as I type!

Why all the fear and loathing? Hams have been avant-
garde, pioneering, lets-do-it since the spark days. Let’s
continue the fine example of our hamcesters :-)

Me? 100% digital since 2011. Would love to get back
into SSB dx’ing once I can pump +++watts into the yagi.

30-55W btw.

73 Chris



Posted by ZS1DX on 2018-10-27

"I have never used the FT8 mode and never plan on doing so. It's like watching PAINT DRY. Very Boring.
Posted by W9VS on October 19, 2018"

NW Pa says, "Amen!"
Charlie, K3UIM

Posted by K3UIM on 2018-10-27

To K3UIM...

Charlie, I sure do hope, for your sake, that you're wearing
your asbestos breeches...!

Because some flame thrower(s), or other, is about to unleash
its fury upon you, in all its glory...!
Posted by VE3CUI on 2018-10-27

Not Ham Radio

I had more fun with AOL/AIM back in the day.
I don't get the hams who are proud they
pinged the whole world in 3 days and consider
it a huge accomplishment.

Posted by K1FBI on 2018-10-25

Different strokes.....

... for different folks. What is a "mainstream Ham". We all have our favorite modes for good reason. I enjoy cw more than phone or digital. I am forced to have lowly wire antennas due to living arrangements beyond my control. The cw and digital modes get me out there. Others like to ratchet jaw like good 'ol boys on 80. Do what you enjoy. One thing I will say though is Amateur radio is moving on it's not dying just changing embrace it and have fun.
BTW-- I run 30 watts on FT8.
Posted by KQ4MZ on 2018-10-25

FT8 keeps ham radio alive

“In my humble opinion, FT8 is at the very
heart of what Amateur Radio has been about
from its inception — amateurs who love the
art of radio enhancing the art of radio,”
Gerald Youngblood of FlexRadio wrote. He
continued, speculating, “what will
ultimately kill Amateur Radio is not FT8.
To the contrary, FT8 is an example of what
will keep it alive and relevant. What will
kill Amateur Radio is if we cease to
innovate, become old and grumpy, and no
longer bring new blood into the hobby.”
AM'ers moved to SSB because it was a
superior mode for most ham situations too.
Posted by WC4R on 2018-10-24

Other?

What could selecting Other mean? All the
output ranges are covered and then of course
there is the "I don't use" selection. Does
anyone use FT-8 in a receive only mode?
Posted by KK4FGF on 2018-10-24

For WC4R...

Keep in mind, too, that a LOT of SSB'ers returned to the
"ancient modulation" mode in recent years strictly for the
wonderful audio quality that A.M. is so very characteristic
of, as opposed to all that proverbial "Donald Duck"
splatter that typifies, by comparison, single sideband.

But quality is fast disappearing from so very many facets
of our modern day society, and is, in fact, accepted as
being some sort of "new reality"...new, maybe, to everyone
else, save for us crotchety, grumpy old men...

We can still recall watching movies on cinemascope
screened theatres vs. microscopic IPAD screens held in our
hand, towering loud speaker assemblies replete with
horns, tweeters, etc. vs. ear buds thrust into our craniums,
and relaxing & extended conversations with friends on
traditional landline telephones vs. lost calls and scratchy
reception on cellphones ("...Can you hear me, NOW...?")...

But, as Vladimir Lenin once said so very many years ago,
"...QUANTITY has a QUALITY all its own..." Well, you can
just keep your "quantity" --- I shall continue to grasp the
"quality" aspect of life as I may see fit to do so, & you can
extricate it from my cold, dead hands after I'm gone...
Posted by VE3CUI on 2018-10-24

VE3CUI

Mr. Swynar totally missed the point then went
off on some weird tangent. My operation is 5%
CW, 40% digital, 12% AM, 55% SSB, 2% FM. I
love diversity. I thought FT8 would be boring
until I really got to understand its
capabilities and how to use it more
effectively. I just had to dive in and
reserve an opinion until I had months of
exposure.
Posted by WC4R on 2018-10-24

FT8 Use:

Someday I might try FT8. I still think CW
should be used as much as possible. Too many
digital modes will probably fragment users
whom do not communicate with each other on the
air.

DE K0IC
Posted by K0IC on 2018-10-21

TBDXC.net

If you are not on the FT8 bandwagon, then
please consider a free TBDXC membership.


www.tbdxc.net/

73,
Bob


Posted by KA1VF on 2018-10-21

Antenna Jail

FT8 /JS8Call are about the only modes that have kept
me on the air with the strict antenna restrictions and
solar conditions I am stuck with.

There's also Dstar but.....
Posted by KB4MC on 2018-10-21

"FT8"...? Bah...! Humbug...!

Why don't devotees of FT8 create their own on-line, or
hardcopy, enthusiast's blog / magazine / whatever...?

They could create something like the former "AM/Press
Exchange" that once rallied diehard AM'ers, or, "The
Milliwatt," which QRP'ers subscribed to...

I don't especially have an axe to grind with FT8 users, but
the majority of mainstream Hams seem to be dead set
against the mode --- so why waste time trying to publicly
celebrate it, or potentially recruiting new users on
"general" Ham pages like this one, when you can talk-up
its virtues to your heart's content with other like-minded
individuals via shared avenues...?
Posted by VE3CUI on 2018-10-20

FT8

So frustrating to hear signals on FT8, and yet the CW portion of the band seems dead. I long for a good CW QSO, local or DX does not matter. I work FT8 when I cannot work anyone else on CW, and to make sure I am getting out. For fun try Hell Scriber Sprints.
Posted by K4JPN on 2018-10-20

Primarily 6M

I primarily use FT8 on 6M and run about 75W. My SNR numbers tell me that I should probably go to 300-500W to have equal SNR to most stations I work. On the few occasions when I work the HF bands on FT8 I keep it under 30W.

Posted by AA4PB on 2018-10-20

BORING

FT8 is the most boring, mind numbing mode I ever tried. Tried it - hated it. Will be glad when it runs it's course like PSK31, etc.
:)
Posted by K4HPP on 2018-10-19

FT8 Survey Question(s)?

Are there two questions here? "Some way to use 20-30 watts for FT8..." Did the Survey Manager check first the wording of this Question(s) before posting this Survey? Help??
Posted by AA7LX on 2018-10-19

25 watts, I don't have much of an antenna up now.
Posted by N5LXI on 2018-10-19

Usually 15. - 20 Watts. All that is needed and keeps my
finals cooler.
Posted by K7AAT on 2018-10-19

FT8

I have never used the FT8 mode and never plan on doing so.
It's like watching PAINT DRY. Very Boring.
Posted by W9VS on 2018-10-19

one million whats?

what what what what ... come on guys, FT8 is
perfect for introverts that do NOT like
talking to people. I like talking to people
by voice, code, or text, so FT8 it's not my
cup of tea. But you got to admit, they don't
take up much of the band.
Posted by N8XD on 2018-10-19

Not Ham radio

The digital modes are not Ham Radio so I will
never even try it.
Posted by W3LI on 2018-10-19

digital modes

Digital modes are changing so quickly that I can't keep up!
Posted by N6QCA on 2018-10-18

Always

Five Watts. Nothing more.
Posted by KB2HSH on 2018-10-18