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CQ contest! Will you be participating in the upcoming CQWW CW contest?

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Towers

I'm 70 and still climb my Rohn 70 footer plus my two 60 foot utility poles. I've been as high as 400 feet on military towers. However, I have ALWAYS been scared and still am when I go up there. I use the best belt plus my own safety rope, a heavy length tied around my waist wtih the ends dangling about three feet and with heavy hooks on each. When I unbelt to go over guy supports and so on, I clip on with the rope hooks above the obstacle then rebelt when I'm clear of it. Inotherwords, I'm ALWAYS linked to the tower. When I get up there, I have to kick back, lean into my belt, and intentionally look down and around until my heartbeat returns to normal. I can then use wrenches, fit washers and nuts, tape, and so on with no nervous hand flutters. So, yes, it does scare me but I still do it. I just have to be confident in my climbing gear and do the mind over matter thing. I also try to plan ahead so I'll have everything I need and can do the job with one climb. I have also been a paratrooper and that scared me too, on my first jump and on the last some 600 or so later. I have to confess, I've wet myself a time or two when the jumps were "hair curlers" and once when lightning struck a tower I was on. 73s to all.
Posted by WB7DCV on 2004-11-30

contesting

Why can't us non-contesters use the normal bands? I have to go to the WARC bands if I want to ragchew or call CQ. Why not limit the contests to one half of each designated sub-band?
Posted by KI6YN on 2004-11-29

KI6YN;

If I stay on my half, will you stay on your half?? Seriously, limit us contesters to 50% of the band, but, then limit nets, ragchews, sked to the other half...ONLY! Can you imagine moving the 3905 group, to 3805? Or the net on 7233 to 7288? Hmmmm, or, move the 7290 AM boys to 7160?

Sound fair?

73-Chuck KI9A
Posted by KI9A on 2004-11-29

Damn!! Not another one.

If the ARRL would take half time, money and energy that they spend to promote these useless contests maybe we would get some decent representation regarding the serious and important issues that face our hobby.


GO CQ CQ CQ contest somewhere else
Posted by W5DXE on 2004-11-28

W5DXE:

This is contest put on by CQ magazine, not the ARRL.

I love it when guys wet their pants over something they have no clue about!

Chuck KI9A
Posted by KI9A on 2004-11-28

CONTESTS

WOW, SUCH NEGATIVE ENERGY FLYING AROUND.
I ENJOY CONTESTING, BUT THIS ONE I PASS ON BECAUSE IT IS A HOLIDAY WEEKEND AND I PREFER SPENDING IT WITH FAMILY AND FRIENDS.
COME ON FOLKS, IT'S SUPPOSED TO BE A HOBBY.
AND, WHY DO WE FLING MUD AT EACH OTHER? SOMEONE ALWAYS STARTS IT, BUT BEST TO IGNORE IT.
CONTESTS? FOR SURE.
CW? FOR EVER.
SSB? OK BY ME.
DIGITAL? WHY NOT.

Posted by KZ1A on 2004-11-28

Where is the skill?

If you are too lazy to call CQ yourself & rely on a voice keyer, just where does this "skill & talent" enter the frame?

It is still intentional interference when you contunue to "call CQ" even with your call digitally recorded...

We had one particular guy on 75 jam us using his voice keyer just 200Hz away. We asked nicely & got told we had better try again after the contest was over. That was until someone else recorded his recording & played it over & over in his ears till he moved.

96% of contesters are truly the rudest of our lot & feel entitled to something they are not, jamming other people who were there in QSO first...

Hope you score...
Posted by K4RAF on 2004-11-26

K4RAF says: "We had one particular guy on 75 jam us using his voice keyer just 200Hz away. We asked nicely & got told we had better try again after the contest was over. That was until someone else recorded his recording & played it over & over in his ears till he moved.

96% of contesters are truly the rudest of our lot & feel entitled to something they are not, jamming other people who were there in QSO first..."

Well, that is bad...seriously. If you indeed ask nicely, the other guy must really have been a true LID.

I have ALWAYS moved when asked in a decent manner, no matter if it was for a net, or just 2 guys ttrying to keep a sked. While us, as contesters, are trying to police our ranks as far as this type of activity, there are still bad apples. I believe the net/ragchew/sked/sstv guys need to do thier part, & not try to battle every station that gets within 5kc of theei God-given net freq. This happens all too often.

Look guys, we need to find a way to get along. After all, we are members of an exclusive group of folks, we are HAMS.

The answer isn't limiting us to a part of the band, The answer isn't telling non-contesters to go to a WARC band. The answer is for us contesters to respect guys on nets, & for net guys to respect our right to contest--as long as we don't end up right on top.

Face it, during a contest the bands are packed. It is exciting, way more exciting than tuning a band that is not active. So, tighten up the filters & muck thru it. It isn't every weekend that the bands are cluttered, maybe 5 or 6 weekends a year the SSB part is battered, but , that leaves 46 or so a year that they are clear. We can live with that, can't we??

BPL, the aging ham population, & decreasing numbers of active hams are the real enemies we have. Lets turn our aggretion towards this.

73 & CU in the contests ( and nets, & ragchews outside of the contests!)

Chuck KI9A


Posted by KI9A on 2004-11-26

contest

chuck kl9a
look it is my +_)(*&&^^%%$%$##@@!$#@~~!~!~@ business what i do with my stuff, i got turd of being told to "turn off the radio and do something else, go to the warc bands, rag chewing is not important, etc.etc from the , contesters and that is what i have done so you pore little childern can play and not be bothered,
I"VE TRied contesting, and quite frankly, it is as much fun asd watching paint dry and mud crack
so keep your snide remarks to yourself ,as far as about my feelings,
THANK YOU
ag4hy
Posted by AG4HY on 2004-11-26

I learned something

Reading these comments its quite clear to see that the ordinary ham Joe is not the one causing problems on the bands. Quite simply its the contesters and dx freaks that screw it up for everybody else. Get a clue its only a hobby, its not like your gonna win a million bucks from the damn contest. Geez the biggest whiners are the guys with the big stations who feel they got to control everybody.
Posted by EXPRO on 2004-11-26

Contests

What, should we ban those annoying skeds, the small-talk ragchews, the county hunters, and the other miscellaneous stuff that interfere with our contests? Contests help with CW proficiency, which believe it or not is still important to some of us. Others are not "QSO people" but instead are "contact people" who value that ten-second contact as much as your hour-long making a new friend. Then there are the technical people who've built this station just like you rebuilt your '65 Chevy, and want to road test it. As for voice keyers, I built one of those too when all you had to work with was an ISD chip and the tech data sheet that came with it. It's never a waste of time - and if you feel like you're being stuck with SWLing for a weekend, then maybe you just need to appreciate the art of listening.
Posted by N3EG on 2004-11-26

AG4Hy writes: "chuck kl9a"..ummm, my call is KI9A, not KL9A, to start with.

He also says such gems as "you pore little", umm, try to at least obtain a 3rd grade spelling level, OK?

The genious also says: "I"VE TRied contesting, and quite frankly, it is as much fun asd watching paint dry and mud crack"

Must have something wrong with his keyboard, I suspect. But, to answer that one, I can say listening to 2 old geezers talk about the latest foot pain, or pile eruption is more exciting than contesting, I was wrong I guess.

So, AG4HY (is this a no-code advance class?err, 5wpm advance?)If you don't like it, too bad. I'll suspect you are the type of assclown that hates everything & everybody--unless they subscribe to your views, am I correct?

Chuck K I 9 A
Posted by KI9A on 2004-11-26

AG4HY says in wisdom: "contest don't bother me any-more, did i join them? no. i simply took the radio, and put it back in the boxes it came in, and shoved it in the closet.
ag4hy
Posted by AG4HY on November 19, 2004"

Let me see, you don't get your way, so, you take your toys & go home. Nice.

Let me guess, Willie, I'll wager you are not really at the top of you profession, if, indeed you have one. Seems to me like you are a bit less than motivated. Break the rig out tonite, & meet me on 75, I can ragchew as well as I contest. You might actually have fun!



Posted by KI9A on 2004-11-26

AG4HY, I missed this gem from your post!!

", i got turd of being told to "turn off the radio and do something else"

you got WHAT?? A turd? You must mean tired, right? I guess 3rd grade was too tough, huh? LOL
Posted by KI9A on 2004-11-26

actions speak

Well lets see you contest guys. Already the contest has just started and the LIDS are plastered all over the digi portions of 20 and 40 meters. What a bunch of inconsiderate asses.
Posted by EXPRO on 2004-11-26

Opp's lets not forget the idoit thats down on 6.995 calling as well. Yeah contests sure do build professional skills.
Posted by EXPRO on 2004-11-26

I have to laugh. People posting negative comments about the “test” who don’t want anyone to know their calls… and they call others lids?

And to those who think CW is dead… That’s right! They can’t copy cw! Get a life.

Gene K1ZF

Posted by K1ZF on 2004-11-26

yet ANOTHER contest

I QSY onto the WARC bands during contests faster than water flows off a duck's back.
Posted by VE7ALQ on 2004-11-26

Love of contests


I am listening to the Friday 26 November, 2004 contest.

I think it is going along well and I feel sort of zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz
Posted by W6TH on 2004-11-26

Love of contests


I am listening to the Friday 26 November, 2004 contest.

I think it is going along well and I feel sort of zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz
Posted by W6TH on 2004-11-26

"contest don't bother me any-more, did i join them? no. i simply took the radio, and put it back in the boxes it came in, and shoved it in the closet."
ag4hy

And Mom wouldn't let me play anymore!

Chuck KI9A
Posted by KI9A on 2004-11-25

"All I want to do is keep the sked with my dear old mother. Sorry to be so utterly selfish.
Posted by WI6I on November 18, 2004 "

Does Mom operate CW?

Chuck KI9A

Posted by KI9A on 2004-11-25

"What really burns my butt over contests, ALL contests, is the lack of consideration for the NON-contestants.

Play nice boys.
Posted by OBSERVER11 on November 18, 2004"

What burns my butt is guys on eham who don't have the balls to use their calls when posting! kinda like the ball-less wonders who cause intentional QRM during contests...one in the same! At least us contesters have enough sack to ID!

73-Chuck KI9A

Posted by KI9A on 2004-11-25

contests

Let the guys play... It is a hobby not a war! We need to try to promote the hobby not argue. There is plenty of room for everyone, if the band is crowded move on.

73 de KI4DJN-Stu
Posted by KI4DJN on 2004-11-25

come on solar flare

I love contests so much that I wish for just this weekend we would have a super X class flare arrive at contest start time and last right up to the end time. Ya baby
Posted by EXPRO on 2004-11-24

Contests = Activity!!

I do not contest, but have no quarrel with those who enjoy that activity. I can understand both sides of the pro/con contest issue. Contests are a great way of stimulating on-the-air activity, and I bet most of you guys complaining about contests would not be on the air during the contest period anyway. You CW haters can go scrub your dentures and work SSB during the CQWW contest.
There are plenty of frequencies available all the time and anyone can find somewhere to operate if they really want to.
Posted by WB4M on 2004-11-24

It's all educational

CW contesting helped me increase my copy and send speed. I started contesting at around 8 wpm, now I'm at about 20 wpm. Most contesters will slow down for you, and some will make it a point to work a slow op first.
Posted by K1RDD on 2004-11-24

I like cw, hf,ssb, no problem at all, but when there is a contest all amplifiers get steamed up and hams start overshouting one and other like complete fools, i would say the latest cqww ssb contest was an exellent example. So when a big contest is there I go to warc bands or shut down my radio activetys. and let the fools get on with there 5nn .
Posted by PA7WWO on 2004-11-24

I like cw, hf,ssb, no problem at all, but when there is a contest all amplifiers get steamed up and hams start overshouting one and other like complete fools, i would say the latest cqww ssb contest was an exellent example. So when a big contest is there I go to warc bands or shut down my radio activetys. and let the fools get on with there 5nn .
Posted by PA7WWO on 2004-11-24

No-CW Contesting Here

I don't do the CW Contests, but I may just listen and see if I can copy some of the CW stations.. If I can copy some of the stations, it will help me get my code speed up.

73'
+Steve/KD5OWO
Posted by KD5OWO on 2004-11-23


Posted by COON17 on 2004-11-22

cbs or hams

If you have nothing good to say,then say nothing at all!!!!!
73s and HAPPY THANKSGIVING
Posted by KB1JHL on 2004-11-22

Contests suck!

Ham radio contests are about as interesting as the one legged races with that aunt that has a mustach at family picnics. How many contacts can you make in 24 hours? Who cares!
Posted by WIRELESS on 2004-11-21

Great Contest

Contests are for everybody! If contests overwhelm you, dip your toe in the water, and give it a try. Hunt and pounce, pick up new ones, give the big guns a few points. I for one will be in the thick of things. Enjoy!
Posted by NG6X on 2004-11-21

Way to go RGR

Ya, QRM the local BPL stuff, specially around 20m (since 17 is off limits to contest)

I personally don't even have enough horsepower to make contesting fun, my vertical antenna just doesn't cut it. Fortunately, since it doesn't recieve much at all, it won't recieve all that contest QRM now will it? lol

Constesting is alright, but I do agree that it's probably too much. We heard about 5 stations in a row, 1.3khz appart or less, all with 'crunchy echoboxes' (speech processors.. not so pretty.
Posted by KC0NPF on 2004-11-21

Way to go RGR

Ya, QRM the local BPL stuff, specially around 20m (since 17 is off limits to contest)

I personally don't even have enough horsepower to make contesting fun, my vertical antenna just doesn't cut it. Fortunately, since it doesn't recieve much at all, it won't recieve all that contest QRM now will it? lol

Constesting is alright, but I do agree that it's probably too much. We heard about 5 stations in a row, 1.3khz appart or less, all with 'crunchy echoboxes' (speech processors.. not so pretty.
Posted by KC0NPF on 2004-11-21

You don't have the right answer for me in the survey. "I'll casually operate somewhere else on our bands." I'm not a contester, but might occasionally stop by and listen, so I checked that one. You really should have had a better answer in the list, as one can always go elsewhere if not into contesting. Turn off the rig is a ridiculous answer.
Posted by K4JF on 2004-11-20

CW & Contests, the ultimate combo !!

Looking forward to the contest and also snagging a few new ones on Topband !!

See Ya There !!!
73 & GL
Troy

Posted by W5AU on 2004-11-20

DX contests are FUN!

I love DX contesting, both on CW and SSB! Since I never run amplifiers (run barefoot 756 or QRP), they are an excellent way to work new countries, especially running QRP levels. And on 6 meters, given the quickly changing and fleeting propagation (if the band is open), contesting is a great 'tool' to maximize working new grids, states, etc.
Posted by W8KQE on 2004-11-20



KT8K says "Of course, I always print out band plans, keep the "considerate ops frequency guide" at hand, and try to be a good citizen, but sometimes, on some bands, the din of the contest overwhelms the signals of non-contest users.."

Noone needs a book to tell them when they are behaving like a lid or not. What a few contesters need is a bat across the brow when they get unruly... Just last contest (voice/CW), I observed several phone stations occupying the SSTV portion of 20m. I am all for fun and games and a good time but these guys needs several "pins in their coax" for being such
dingleberries..
Its not like you could mistake that racket anywhere in the world for anything else nor are you gonna rack up points when a guy dumps a 20 over 9 "martin mode" on your QSO.. 73 Richy N2ZD
Posted by N2ZD on 2004-11-19

Alright...

Fellas, how about some courtesy here? I personally don't contest, but come on... some of the things you contest-haters and CW-haters are saying are making you sound like the jerks you're complaining about.

Come on now, we can express displeasure with certain ham activities and still remain civil. Integrity, people.
Posted by KA9INV on 2004-11-19

yet another contest


contest don't bother me any-more, did i join them? no. i simply took the radio, and put it back in the boxes it came in, and shoved it in the closet.
ag4hy
Posted by AG4HY on 2004-11-19

... hard to get in ...

I've tried to operate in the CW contests before just to make a few, but my CW is pretty rusty and I'm operating at about 12-14WPM. What I've found is that I can't even get onto the on-ramp.! At my slow speed, nobody wants to make a contact ... so I ususally just listen for a slow-poke like myself. It's no fun listening during a contest, but it is more fun listening to an actual QSO in non-contest conditions.

Cheers,

H
Posted by VE7AZC on 2004-11-19

N2NZJ what are you

talking about?

This is a CW contest coming up. How does that relate to speech gain?

You're sounding like an Alzheimer's victim, just screaming irrelevant thoughts.
Posted by WB2WIK on 2004-11-19

reply to WB2WIK

Sorry I meant max POWER OUT OR MORE.and no i am not fond of CONTESTS EITHER PHONE OR CW. SORRY ABT THE TYPO again. 73 TOM . btw I DO NOT HAVE ALZHEIMERS. my point is there should be 30 to 50kc on each band for HAMS WHO DO NOT PARTICIPATE IN CONTESTS.as they also have a right to operate the BANDS just as the contesters DO. 73 AGN TOM
Posted by N2NZJ on 2004-11-19

KN0WCW/2

I'll be operating my 50W Ten Tec 555 Scout on 40 - 15 M as KN0WCW/2 (FISTS CW Club Callsign) from Brady Mtn in Warwick, NY (Orange Co, Grid FN21). Didn't realize the contest was that weekend as I'm not a contester, but gonna see who'll give me a QRS QSO, and hopefully give some fellow FISTS points towards FISTS awards.

73

Joe
Posted by N2LJD on 2004-11-19

Lots of room

Space for non-contesters? In the CW contest, there's tons of space for non-contesters, since 100% of all contest activity occurs in the lower 60 kHz or so.

Since CW is allowed from edge-to-edge of every amateur band (except 60m, where it's not allowed at all), you have the "entire band" except for the lower ~60 kHz, usually, to work anybody you want. 100 kHz up from the bottom end of any band there is no CW contest activity.

I like contesting a lot, but when I'm not involved, I switch modes as others have suggested. During phone contests, I use CW. During CW contests, I use phone. The 10m contest is multi-mode, as is Field Day, and as are all the VHF contests. ARRL 160 is CW only; CQ 160 has both phone and CW weekends. Geesh, there is *always* tons of space for me to work anybody I wish, contest or not.

I guess I don't get the complaints.

WB2WIK/6
Posted by WB2WIK on 2004-11-19

yet ANOTHER contest

I am not a contester, contests are a waste of time and spectrum, but to each his own.

What really burns my butt over contests, ALL contests, is the lack of consideration for the NON-contestants.

Play nice boys.
Posted by OBSERVER11 on 2004-11-18

yet ANOTHER contest

I am not a contester, contests are a waste of time and spectrum, but to each his own.

What really burns my butt over contests, ALL contests, is the lack of consideration for the NON-contestants.

Play nice boys.
Posted by OBSERVER11 on 2004-11-18

contest

they are a bunch of ego hams that have to prove that they are better than everyone elso get rid of them
Posted by former_W3BL on 2004-11-18

contest

they are a bunch of ego hams that have to prove that they are better than everyone elso get rid of them
Posted by former_W3BL on 2004-11-18

Another opp. for fun

For 20 years the only contest I was ever involved in was Field Day, and it was always a great time.

Then I got interested in a bit of dxing, but, being a died-in-the-wool QRPer on a city lot with low antennas, I have learned to avoid the pileups, thus missing a lot of the best dx. I have found that in contests people are listening hard, have their equipment tuned up to the max, may have dxpeditioned to cool and rare places, and are looking for ANY contact -- the perfect place for me to rack up new countries. So I have gotten more and more into contesting, and really enjoy it.

Of course, I always print out band plans, keep the "considerate ops frequency guide" at hand, and try to be a good citizen, but sometimes, on some bands, the din of the contest overwhelms the signals of non-contest users. So if I hear anyone say anything that doesn't sound like the contest exchange, for example, I steer well clear of them, even if I suspect that they wouldn't hear my puny signal anyway.

For me, contests have just become another opportunity for fun, and I try to set new personal records for contacts per hour and total contacts in each of the major contests, which I really enjoy. I don't think contests are going away any time soon, and they do motivate people to improve their stations and operating practices, so I hope we can all continue to handle the inconveniences and enjoy the hobby for what it is, a great hobby.
Gud rx & 73 de kt8k - Tim
Posted by KT8K on 2004-11-18

Strike a blow for Ham Radio...

Yes, I intend to cause as much QRM to the local BPL trial as possible that weekend...
Posted by K0RGR on 2004-11-18

Attitude Problems

Judging by the comments above, it seems to me a few non contesters have an attitude problem.

Operating in contests is not about proving we are better than everyone else. It is about station engineering, antenna design, networking, working as a team, having fun and for many of us, a chance to travel and operate from a DX location. It is also about winning, but this is not the same as being better than everyone else.

Perhaps the next time you work a rare country the week before or week after a contest, you will stop and say thank you to that contester for spending his time and money traveling to that remote location and activating that country on that band or mode.

The majority of contesters are respectful and considerate. There are a few bad apples, but the same hold true for non contesters, such as the net controllers that fire up on time and on frequency without regard for anyone already using the frequency, or the SSTV operators whom think a "gentleman's agreement" is equivalent to owning specific frequencies which cannot be used for anything else.

As many have said in the past, most contests are for a single mode. Use another mode. Use a WARC band, heck, take your wife to dinner and the theater, whatever. Complaining isn't going to change anything and it only makes you unpleasant to be around.

I could go on and on, but I think you get the point.

You have the right to be critical, but when your criticisms are generalized about en entire group, you only show your foolishness.

I am a contester. I am a non contester. I like CW, SSB and RTTY. I can always find something to do on the radio. There are many contests in which I don't operate and some I don't like, but I don't complain about them. I find someplace else to operate or something else to do. Perhaps the next contest you don't like would be a good time to lay down some radials for that vertical or redesign you shack. Think about it!

David ~ KY1V
Posted by KY1V on 2004-11-18

yuck CW

i will be shoeing my horse and preparing the buggy. heck i maay even turn on the old gas light's. anyone have a sparkgap? god give it a rest cw = time long gone
Posted by N3JBH on 2004-11-18

yuck CW

i will be shoeing my horse and preparing the buggy. heck i maay even turn on the old gas light's. anyone have a sparkgap? god give it a rest cw = time long gone
Posted by N3JBH on 2004-11-18

Comment

CW may or may not be someone's cup of tea (I USED to operate it exclusively)...SSB or RTTY may be the choice for most...but I agree...some common courtesy should be afforded to the non-contester.

HSH
Posted by KB2HSH on 2004-11-18

Comment

CW may or may not be someone's cup of tea (I USED to operate it exclusively)...SSB or RTTY may be the choice for most...but I agree...some common courtesy should be afforded to the non-contester.

HSH
Posted by KB2HSH on 2004-11-18

I HAVE A NEED FOR SPEED

I will try to run the contest as much as possible. Gotta have the code.

andy
Posted by KC2GOW on 2004-11-18

One of the best

Over the years, this contest has created for me the most international friendship. Maybe that 9V1 station is hard to hear and he's having difficulty hearing me through local noise. We struggle for some minutes, trying to get the exchange right and finally get it. Next day in email I have a nice one from him telling me how much he appreciated my patience, and then I reply with thanks, and another friendship is created. I have visited and been visited by many I have met during this contest.

AM
Posted by N0TONE on 2004-11-18

One of the best

The CQ WW CW is one of the best. Although I have other commitments that weekend and can't operate seriously, I'll be on and will have fun for a few hours anyway.

Advantage of CW contest: The family doesn't even know I'm on the air (with headphones). I can be 100 contacts into it before they figure out I'm "missing," heh heh heh...

WB2WIK/6
Posted by WB2WIK on 2004-11-18

World's Best Ops

If contesters are such hotshot ops, why do they not confine themselves to defined sub-bands during their exhibitions of superior station engineering and operating technique? All I want to do is keep the sked with my dear old mother. Sorry to be so utterly selfish.
Posted by K5RIX on 2004-11-18

Ill take a listen

Im not a contester but I tune in CW contests to hear all the remote calls. Then I hop over to 17M or 10FM where I can have a non-rushed chat. - Eric
Posted by KJ7XJ on 2004-11-18

YAWN...

CW is so 1800's
Posted by SWANMAN on 2004-11-18

YAWN...

CW is so 1800's
Posted by SWANMAN on 2004-11-18

I HATE CONTESTS, NO REGARD FOR THEIR FELLOW HAM'S. FIRE UP THE 5KW AND THROW THE SPEECH GAIN TO MAX PLUS. AND HAWG THE BANDS ALL WEEKEND LONG. THEY SAY TO US WELL U GUY'S AT LEAST HAVE THE WARC BANDS. BIG DEAL THEY AIN'T ALWAYS OPEN. SO WE ARE OUT OF ACTION THE ENTIRE WEEK END.and they could care LESS. and u know i'm right. create a share the band program. "COMPROMISE" 73 TOM
Posted by N2NZJ on 2004-11-18