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Do you feel your country is doing enough to assist victims in the aftermath of the Asian Tsunami?

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Wasted on War

Consider the FACT that almost all of the money available is WASTED on WAR... KILLING people... What do you think?

Come on now people.. WAKE UP!!!!

STOP THE KILLING MACHINES

PUT THE MONEY AND RESOURCES INTO REALLY HELPING PEOPLE... NOT KILLING THEM... NOT CREATING MORE ENEMIES
Posted by AL7EP on 2007-08-31

chill man

chill man we in the uk get the blame too.
Never mind everyone has to blame someone. Thats just the way it is. If you try and help somone these days they just want to blame you if you make a mistake even thogh you thaught you wanted to help
Chris South Wales UK
Posted by MW0HRD on 2005-01-12

How about the GAS?

Has anyone figured out how much it costs to operate and send halfway around the world, a Carrier Task Force? Or how about 30+ helicopters flying non-stop 24/7 for what looks like "forever"? OH, that doesnt matter, we are Americans, we all got it. Yes, we got it, and we worked HARD to get it-for well over 200 years. Im sick of hearing about the EU, and others. There wouldnt be an "EU" if it were not for our $$$, blood and YES-compassion. I agree that the tsunami survivors deserve all the help they can get, and they are getting it..Its about time the world got together and did something "constructive", BUT everything is our fault, not Kofi (oil for food) Annon, or the (U)nited (N)itwits. Yep-thats right, Our nukes started the tsunami, Thousands died over in Indonesia because we had the first air lift there, even so, their deaths was our fault too! And the rotting food on the docks under UN contol, Yep-we did it. We are sooooo bad. and all those "alah" countries, They think the only reason we (infidels) are there is to spread Christianity! We are guilty.. We have crosses on all of our helicopters and delivering bibles instead of food. The rest of the world (or most of it) makes me want to PUKE!..OH, I forgot, Its our fault there is no Tsunami warning system too. The west coast earth quakes, mudslides, midwest floods & snow storms, Florida hurricanes, 5 YEAR DROUGHTS and all the folks who died as a result of tornados, which no other country has but us, WHO AT LEAST OFFERED HELP? NO ONE. Thats OK! We are rich Americans, our lives dont count, until someone needs us. 3500 deaths on 9/11, a drop in the bucket. The worst natural disaster I have seen in my lifetime-YES, my prayers go out to all of them. 350m $$ or $3.00, it doesnt matter, when people need help, we are always there, or at least offer, so keep on bashing us, all you want, because there will come a day when we will get sick and tired of all this and wont be there, and it will be your fault, then what will the "EU" do? Cry to the UN? Not a Ham topic, for sure, but my wrong button was pushed. My cousin died in Nam, my Dad got metal blown into his head at the Battle of the Bulge, My Grand Dad went deaf in France during WW1, No big deal, WE ARE CHEAP AMERICANS...
Ken-KU2US and proud of it...
Posted by KU2US on 2005-01-11

How about the GAS?

Has anyone figured out how much it costs to operate and send halfway around the world, a Carrier Task Force? Or how about 30+ helicopters flying non-stop 24/7 for what looks like "forever"? OH, that doesnt matter, we are Americans, we all got it. Yes, we got it, and we worked HARD to get it-for well over 200 years. Im sick of hearing about the EU, and others. There wouldnt be an "EU" if it were not for our $$$, blood and YES-compassion. I agree that the tsunami survivors deserve all the help they can get, and they are getting it..Its about time the world got together and did something "constructive", BUT everything is our fault, not Kofi (oil for food) Annon, or the (U)nited (N)itwits. Yep-thats right, Our nukes started the tsunami, Thousands died over in Indonesia because we had the first air lift there, even so, their deaths was our fault too! And the rotting food on the docks under UN contol, Yep-we did it. We are sooooo bad. and all those "alah" countries, They think the only reason we (infidels) are there is to spread Christianity! We are guilty.. We have crosses on all of our helicopters and delivering bibles instead of food. The rest of the world (or most of it) makes me want to PUKE!..OH, I forgot, Its our fault there is no Tsunami warning system too. The west coast earth quakes, mudslides, midwest floods & snow storms, Florida hurricanes, 5 YEAR DROUGHTS and all the folks who died as a result of tornados, which no other country has but us, WHO AT LEAST OFFERED HELP? NO ONE. Thats OK! We are rich Americans, our lives dont count, until someone needs us. 3500 deaths on 9/11, a drop in the bucket. The worst natural disaster I have seen in my lifetime-YES, my prayers go out to all of them. 350m $$ or $3.00, it doesnt matter, when people need help, we are always there, or at least offer, so keep on bashing us, all you want, because there will come a day when we will get sick and tired of all this and wont be there, and it will be your fault, then what will the "EU" do? Cry to the UN? Not a Ham topic, for sure, but my wrong button was pushed. My cousin died in Nam, my Dad got metal blown into his head at the Battle of the Bulge, My Grand Dad went deaf in France during WW1, No big deal, WE ARE CHEAP AMERICANS...
Ken-KU2US and proud of it...
Posted by KU2US on 2005-01-11

I Agree with K4KAL

Not Appropriate at all

What kind of discussion forum is this?
To bad..... de PE1NPG

This has no business being listed here. Save it for Fox News, CNN, etc. Please remove.
Posted by K4KAL on January 8, 2005

Posted by PE1NPG on 2005-01-10

This should not be on a ham site Lets keep the money in this country and help our on people.This dam county stick ther nose in to meany foreign affaires and to much trade leaving this U.S.A.
Posted by KMA3333 on 2005-01-09

No help from Muslim's

There are different Muslim's in the world just as there are different Christians. Here we have Baptists, Catholics, and so on. For the Muslim's it's the same. Problem is that one type of Muslim thinks the other kind if Muslim is an Infidel just the same as if they were an Infidel Christian and there in lies the problem. Then you have this hard line Muslim cult headed by OBL that’s killing more Muslim's around the world than anyone or anything else. Look at Iraq for instance, our liberal media only focuses on things that make our country look bad and ignores not only the good we are doing but also the really bad things the terrorists in Iraq are doing to the Muslim Iraqi's as well. We have had over 1,000 of our troops killed but do you ever hear of how many Iraqi police, troops, and civilians are killed? It's estimated to be over 100,000 now and that’s post war numbers. If we were to pack up and leave now the hard line OBL Muslim types would take over Iraq and kill millions just as the North Vietnamese did to the South Vietnamese when our Kerry type liberals gave up too early. The problem is that Iraq would again become a safe zone for the OBL Muslim types to spread this cancer far and wide. So are the Middle East Muslim types going to help out the East Asia Muslim types? No, there just another bunch of Infidel's to be slaughtered. I would even say that OBL himself praised Allah for washing away the East Asia Infidel's catering to the Christian Infidel's wallowing in sin.
Posted by N4ZOU on 2005-01-09

Going with Observer

At least I'm not the only one with a solid opinion here.

VK5LA then calls ME self centered....hmmmmm.... (read third post from bottom)
I wonder how he can think that if there is an entire column full of people with the same idea?

Just my $.02
Posted by KC2GOW on 2005-01-09

India

Not only do we send our jobs to India we now send them their welfare funds too.
Posted by WIRELESS on 2005-01-08

Not Appropriate.

This has no business being listed here. Save it for Fox News, CNN, etc. Please remove.
Posted by K4KAL on 2005-01-08

I agree with K4KAL...this has nothing to do with amateur radio...
Posted by K2KOH on 2005-01-08

For GM7CXM...people in the United States have reached into their pockets for foreigners many times over...many Americans have also shed their blood for foreigners as well. I don't think you can put a price on that....

Any questions?
Posted by K2KOH on 2005-01-08

Deep Six the Survey

Who cares? This type of political debate is best saved for the leftist national media outlets to chew on. Ham should be a plesant non-political brotherhood of people who enjoy the many aspects of radio. At least in a ham forum anyway. "Cmon guys!

...and have a happy new year.

Dan.
Posted by N1GXC on 2005-01-08

RRAAAGGEEEEE!!!!!

Anybody see the nice american solders saving the life of a teenage puke wearing a BIN-laddin tee shirt.
Posted by WA2JJH on 2005-01-07

Compare apples to apples

KK7WN wrote: "As a point of fact the U.S. is realtively stingy with aid and assistance, other than military. Most European donate far larger relative shares of their GDP for aid and asssistance.For example , Norway donates almost 1% of its GDP whhile the U.S. donates about .14% of its GDP."

At the risk of asking a question to which I don't already have the answer, when you say "Norway" donates do you mean "Norway" the government of Norway, or Norway the people?

Many countries, especially the more socialistic ones, take a far larger percentage of the GDP as taxes and thus have a larger percentage to "give".

I'd like to see more of the detail behind the numbers...

Mike N2MG

Posted by N2MG on 2005-01-07

I feel sorry for the those people but we have homeless and starving people he in the US. Lets take care of our own first.
Posted by KF9VH on 2005-01-07

Aid by muslims

OBSERVER wrote: "When are we going to hear the sums of money being supplied by the Muslim countries?"

Indeed. Apparently *their* aid must only be given to those of the same faith. They won't give if they think their money might help "infidels" (IOW, anyone but their own kind)

More and more I believe that this is a part of the world we cannot really help. Yet we keep trying... even if we are miserable failures...

Mike N2MG
Posted by N2MG on 2005-01-07

This will certainly earn me a flame but here goes:

The EU has pledged 2 billion dollars, nearly six times what the USA has pledged, and here I have heard NOBODY complain that the money could have been better used at home. There is never enough money for all the problems in this world, but we have to start somewhere.

Shame on those of you narrow minded people who are not willing to help your fellow human beings. Hardly surprising fewer and fewer people see the USA as land of the free.
Posted by GM7CXM on 2005-01-07

OBSERVER wrote: "When are we going to hear the sums of money being supplied by the Muslim countries?"

Indeed. Apparently *their* aid must only be given to those of the same faith. They won't give if they think their money might help "infidels" (IOW, anyone but their own kind)

More and more I believe that this is a part of the world we cannot really help. Yet we keep trying... even if we are miserable failures...

Mike N2MG

Posted by N2MG on January 7, 2005

sorry mike but where the aide is needed is a muslim part of the world there . all most 100% muslim's no i think problem isnt the wont support the infidel as you said. but rather they wont help any one that they wont get a rapid and huge profit from.
history has shown many times in past there motives and i for one beleave that those who live by the sword will perish by the sword.

i just cant beleave that after being called infidel's will still help them. that really dont sit good with me if you dont want us around then we shouldnt be there.
Posted by N3JBH on 2005-01-07

This will certainly earn me a flame but here goes:

GM7CXM what do you wear under your kilt? :)

maybe you need to loosen it up some
Posted by N3JBH on 2005-01-07

WAY too early

It's really WAY too early to make determinations about whom is giving what... one country will promise money, and reneg on some of it, another will promise less, but in the end will have given much more, still another may seem to be offering little, but will eventually send hundreds or thousands of people there to help.

I love it... we are talking about a disaster, and pissing on each other about how much is "enough" to give.

When it comes to "charity" I always thought we give what we can, and what we want. I despise the idea of being coerced...

Mike N2MG

Posted by N2MG on 2005-01-07

Time To Walk The Walk

Quote from GM7CXM, "The EU has pledged 2 billion dollars, nearly six times what the USA has pledged, and here I have heard NOBODY complain that the money could have been better used at home. There is never enough money for all the problems in this world, but we have to start somewhere. Shame on those of you narrow minded people who are not willing to help your fellow human beings. Hardly surprising fewer and fewer people see the USA as land of the free." I noticed that it’s the Indians, Australians, Japanese, and Americans there doing the work. So far the UN/EU has had several high-level cocktail party-soirées fact finding missions and let go a couple of press releases, one of them criticizing the American military for not donning UN blue. Talking is one thing, doing is another. Maybe we should just stop the BS and pull together.

KG6AMW

Posted by KG6AMW on 2005-01-07

Loans vs free aid

Interesting to watch which countries are "donating" aid plus LOANS vs. just free aid. I think the USA is ahead of the pack, my friends...
Posted by KG7DX on 2005-01-07

my 2 cents worth

some of us citizens, hams included i would imagine, simply cannot afford to send lots of $$ to the effort, as noble as it is.
our government, because of us thru our taxes, is giving them big $$, so, as a matter of fact, we are donating the same as if we were to have taken it out of our pockets. after all, that is where it came from to begin with.
Posted by KD9MF on 2005-01-07

GM7CXM, perhaps you don't realize that EU is not a country. The US has sent more aid and help than any other country. We have more ships and aircraft there than anybody else. Our citizens, me included, have given more personal money as well as our tax money than any other country.
Posted by OLDFART13 on 2005-01-07

History Shows....

I think we are doing plenty, especially with a war going on in Iraq.

Besides, Almost every country we've ever helped has gladly taken our money, and turned around and either used it against us or just never appreciated it, and still hates us. We have plenty of disasters right here at home that need addressing. 73.
Posted by KT0DD on 2005-01-06

What About Those In The US?

*** "Last year this country doled out $2.4 Billion dollars in foreign disaster aid." ***

Meanwhile people in our own damn country go hungry, have no place to live, and many have no medication or hope for the next day.

You take care of your own family BEFORE extending help elsewhere.

The united States of America needs to better prioritize what it does with, and where it sends OUR money.
Posted by YEPSURE on 2005-01-06

In addition to the fine arguements being advanced here in the last few posts, it is important to remember that it is only the ungrateful that question our level of generosity. We and only we as a people and a nation will determine that.
Posted by WA4DOU on 2005-01-06

Note the LACK of Muslims...

Note the LACK of Muslim countries participating in Tsunami Relief (ONE at my last count)... I am quite amazed that for all their jawboning and selling of oil to Christian countries that they are so Absent in their help to fellow Muslims... Think About it.... 73 es God bless, murf/wv4r.
Posted by WV4R on 2005-01-06

the 350 MILLION ... So Far....

and... the 350 MILLION... So Far... that Our government has pledged, without a vote, is money that would Pay for MEDICARE and DISASTER Relief HERE at Home in the U.S.A. OR... Real Tax reduction because IF we have So Much Extra CASH with our HUGE National Debt... then we should have Tax Relief At HOME... However... this is merely my Personal Opinion and I could be wrong.... 73 es God bless, murf/wvr4r.
Posted by WV4R on 2005-01-06

Different "God"

>>...350 MILLION...money that would Pay for MEDICARE and DISASTER Relief HERE at Home in the USA ... 73 es God bless...

My God is much more humanitarian and caring than yours is. And I'll stick with mine....

Clint Bradford, K6LCS
Posted by K6LCS on 2005-01-06

enough done

last time i heard, the folk in Florida got some aid. heh, "a loan".. a freeking loan. big deal but that is always the case for us.
crappppppppp
the a-rabs and oil rich aren't going to help any one except them-selves, and the moose limbs are going to try and kill us, blow us up, and in general yell foul, satan,etc. oh they appreciate us to our faces but watch the knife when our back is turned. just my opinion. any one else has a righ to theirs .i have MINE
Posted by AG4HY on 2005-01-06

Yes, assist the needy.



The nature of All Government Programs.

Hooray for me and the hell with you.


.: Liberty or die.


Posted by W6TH on 2005-01-06

the 350 MILLION ... So Far....

and... the 350 MILLION... So Far... that Our government has pledged, without a vote, is money that would Pay for MEDICARE and DISASTER Relief HERE at Home in the U.S.A. OR... Real Tax reduction because IF we have So Much Extra CASH with our HUGE National Debt... then we should have Tax Relief At HOME... However... this is merely my Personal Opinion and I could be wrong.... 73 es God bless, murf/wvr4r.
Posted by WV4R on 2005-01-06

geeezzzzzz

It's not a Ham subject, so what, are some so backwoods they can't understand the subject? Life beyond radio a moot concept?
As far as Aide, America does more than its share to help others to a fault, as we have people right here that could use help.
Last night on TV it was reported that people in some of the countries hit by the tsunami were blaming the U.S for it, due to out nuke testing, thats thanks for ya.
Most won't benifit from the aide anyway, it will be black market items for sale.
Its a shame what happened to those people and its hard to fathom all the dead they report, but rather than our government kicking up the money to these 3rd world countries they should leave it up to those who want to donate and those who don't. Flordia people received aide in the form of
LOANS, yet money is GIVEN to other countries.Old people are forced to decide between food or medication.
I can't help but wonder, if this happened to America, how many of those or other countries would donate money to help us?
All I can say is, Pray for the dead and injured, the fellow Americans lost and possible Hams lost. A special prayer to our troops who are helping in this time of need and fighting in Iraq.

73
Jim
Posted by KF3EG on 2005-01-06

QRZ VK5LA

looks like you may have gotten an answer you might not have expected....
Posted by OBSERVER11 on 2005-01-06

Let's see:

The war in Iraq has cost 150 BILLION so far.

The US has pledged 0.350 BILLION in aid for Tsunami victims so far.

Sort of puts things into perspective, don't it!

Don't blame me or flame me, I'm only stating the facts...
Posted by K1KP on 2005-01-06

K1KP it sure does dont it

i think we should keep on going yehaaaaaaaaaa
maybe Gen. Patton was right
Posted by N3JBH on 2005-01-06

Eham? Epolitics?

I feel that this question, as stated above by others, is NOT a Eham question. We get enough politcs pushed in our face without a loaded question as this one.
Posted by WB9TEV on 2005-01-05

Funds

I just hope that they the suffers get all of the money donated by all countries and people and fund raisers.

Lets not hear of others getting into what others with generosity have donated.
Posted by VK2UW on 2005-01-05

People, please!!!!

You have to realize that the moderator is in VK-land!!! For him, it's not "those poor unfortunate people on the the other side of the world". It's his neighbors and friends.

How would we take it if a tsunami hit Canada or Mexico?

I think everyone is doing a fine job--with the exception of the rich Middle eastern countries, who haven't ponied up much of anything for their less fortunate Muslim bretheren.
Posted by KE4MOB on 2005-01-05

giving TOO much

something that needs to be considered, the 350,000,000 dollars (looks BIGGER when all the zeros are added) are from the AMERICAN PEOPLE. The people provided the $350,000,000 not some faceless government.

The $350,000,000 could be better spent HERE AT HOME. This of course does not include the battle group that has been sent in for logisical aid - try renting ONE helo, much less an entire aircraft carrier load.

When are we going to hear the sums of money being supplied by the Muslim countries?
Posted by OBSERVER11 on 2005-01-05

Don't Like The Results?

If you don't like the results, you are free to donate as much of your own money as you please to this and/or any other cause.
Posted by WA4DOU on 2005-01-05

dont we allways

come to the rescue? USA has 5% of the worlds population. yet close to 40% of good will&assitance is provided by the USA.

So i ask this what other country has done more?
what has the vocal muslim and there royal family's done?

and finally i close with such wealthy group's such as the opec nation's done? i suggest we american's take a time out and pat our selves on the back for a job well done.

and let us not for get that we have suffering in the appalachia and ozark region's of our very own country and yet we have turned them away for the meeger desire to help those of other nations. my brother and sister's of the united states of america i for one salute you. thanks for hearing me growl a littile bit here. jeff/n3jbh
Posted by N3JBH on 2005-01-05

<<"As a point of fact the U.S. is realtively stingy with aid and assistance, other than military. Most European donate far larger relative shares of their GDP for aid and asssistance.For example , Norway donates almost 1% of its GDP whhile the U.S. donates about .14% of its GDP.">>

This is a specious argument usually spouted by liblabs trying raise your taxes.

Of course as a percentage of GDP our "donation" doesn't measure up to other countries. We do have the "biggest" GDP on the planet. Last year this country doled out $2.4 Billion dollars in foreign disaster aid, right at 40% of the total spent world wide.
Do we have 40% of the planet's population? NO. Does our GDP equal 40% of all the combined GDP's of the world? NO.
Next time you start figuring percentages take a look at those first.
Posted by AC0H on 2005-01-05

Improper Question/Poll

I agree with those suggesting the poll be removed. There is enough hatred and discontent in the world today as it is. This only adds additional tension.

Respectfully,

Craig N4CQR
Posted by N4CQR on 2005-01-04

If anything the U.S. does TOO much to aid other countries in the event of a disater. Are we the 911 operator to the whole damn world? I may get some some hate from this, but where was the rest of the world after we were attacked? Did India or Indonesia offer us assistance?
Posted by KU4UV on 2005-01-04

Coupla points ...

First, it seems the survey question should be "Does this question belong on this forum?"
Why not? It's just a question!

Second, the answer really depends on whether or not the US really does send the help promised. The Bush administration doesn't have a very good track record there. Excellent on the promise, not so much so on the followup.
Posted by EXWA2SWA on 2005-01-04

Is it?

The way the question is worded makes it out to be not belonging on here. What does "your country doing enough to assist victims of the tsunami" have to do with ham radio?

Better to reword the question to something like "Do you think hams in your country are doing enough to aid the survivors of the tsunami disaster?" Then it would concern "aspects of our hobby".
Posted by K1CJS on 2005-01-04

N4ZOU

Amen brother!
Posted by WB4M on 2005-01-04

oh really

We are giving Kofi Anan and the UN more money, but little of this money will make it to the victims.

The U.S. has assisted in relief and direct support to help the victims. Other countries and liberals cry that we must give more money; like just throwing money at the problem will fix it. The UN steals most of the money anyway, so not much help there.
Posted by OLDFART13 on 2005-01-04

Define "country."

If by "country," you mean "government," then vastly too much too much is being given.

If you mean "people of your country," then yes, an appropriate amount is being given.

It is not a legitimate role for government to coerce charity through taxation, much to the displeasure of the UN. It is entirely appropriate for private individuals to donate voluntarily and as generously as they see fit.
Posted by W8UR on 2005-01-04

Knee 'Jerk' Reaction

Tsunami strikes in the Indian Ocean!

The 'Jerk' reaction comes from Mr. "I never found graft that I did'nt like" Kofi Anan. $35M, what a paltry sum! Hardly enough for me to skim!

All the while, we are cancelling shore leave and firing up the boilers. Carrier battle groups are on the move. Our charitable organizations like the Red Cross are gearing up. Donations are coming in faster than they can be counted. (Remember, we are a country still recovering for our latest hurricane season.)

Finally, we add $350M to sweeten the pot. Kofi is all smiles. However, we will always be known to the third world as the bastards that only gave $35M.

Finally, the carriers arrive and the airlift begins. Funny how our foresight is paying off. Sorry about the cash Kofi!

Dennis / KG4RUL




Posted by KG4RUL on 2005-01-03

Stingy?

I think that the level of private donations will far outstrip what our government is providing, so, no, the American people are not being stingy.

How much would it cost to put a tsunami warning system in place for all the world's coastal regions, similar to what we have in the Pacific? That might be a better use for our government's funds. Our own Atlantic seaboard is unprotected, and there is a viable threat from earthquakes in the Azores region.
Posted by K0RGR on 2005-01-03

Why here?

Take this to CNN or FOX.

73
Dennis
Posted by AG5Y on 2005-01-03

Hey VK5LA

Sorry pal, Im not self-centered, I just don't think questions of this type belong on a ham radio forum. But you never did answer the question.. Is AUSTRALIA doing its "fair share" to help victims?
Note the question again: it asks, is YOUR country doing enough... it doesn't ask is the USA doing enough.
Posted by WB4M on 2005-01-03

Hey VK5LA

Sorry pal, Im not self-centered, I just don't think questions of this type belong on a ham radio forum. But you never did answer the question.. Is AUSTRALIA doing its "fair share" to help victims?
Note the question again: it asks, is YOUR country doing enough... it doesn't ask is the USA doing enough.
Posted by WB4M on 2005-01-03

Survey Comment

The more the U.S.A. gives away the more the U.N. and other countries hate us because we are so much better off then they are. Even our "poor" are rich compared to the absolute poverty in third world nations. They can't stand the fact that there socialist, communist, or dictatorial government systems can't compete with the huge positive global impact our capitalist system has not only here in the U.S.A. but in other countries as well. The disaster in Asia has killed over 130,000 and still climbing and we go in and help even the people wearing their OBL T-shirts. All the while trying to help the people in Iraq where Saddam killed hundreds of thousands (maybe millions as there still digging up mass graves) in more than 30 years of oppressive dictatorial rule. Want to know about oppressive dictatorial government systems? Google Stalin+Russia and you get a good idea of what Saddam was like. The socialist media here tells us we should have allowed him to continue to kill and torture the people under his harsh rule. Take the socialist's in the U.S.A. as an example. President Bush takes a few days in Texas to access the disaster-taking place. Our socialist "has been" media jumps on him about not "caring" and rushing to Washington D.C. like the phones and Internet have crashed as well and he has no staff to advice him of the situation. Kofi Anan is skiing for 3 days before he shows up to show his sorry face on TV and that’s just fine as he is a socialist/communist while allowing genocide to continue in the Sudan. So are we doing enough? More than likely we are doing too much from the reaction of the socialist/liberals in this country.
Posted by N4ZOU on 2005-01-03

Asian Tsunami Aid

This is a valid subject for this forum, and it is also a valid discussion topic point on the radio! Is it a desirable topic, I think not.

Still, we TEST and affirm our freedoms by such discussion. How could this not be appropriate?
Posted by WA6BFH on 2005-01-03

Re: Why this question?

I would think that people's opinion of the level of support world-wide for the greatest natural disaster in modern times with over a hundred thousand people dead and around 5 million homeless or displaced would qualify it as a question.

I quote from the survey page:
"Let's make it fun and maybe kick up a little dust once in a while."
unquote.

This is definitely in the kick up a little dust category.This is no fun at all.

KG2GOW and WB4M, are you both so self centred
to demand ham only content at this defining point in history when the incredible death toll and level of destruction isn't even near to being determined?
I know I'll remember these holidays forever
and will think of these events every year with great sorrow.
You may also have worked VU4RBI for a new one
this month on Andaman-Nicobar Island.
The Andaman and Nicobar Islands have all but been wiped out.
Have you ever thought about if these dedicated op's are still alive?
The question stays people.
Andrew Williss - VK5LA

Posted by VK5LA on 2005-01-02

I would be interested to find out if Ham's, here, there, and arround the world helped during this terible time? We probably need to stick together as a global group rather than a local group in times when our numbers are decreasing. We don't need to save the day but participating is important.


Tim
ke5bhf
Posted by TIMOTHIUS on 2005-01-02

Why is this relevant?

I fail to see how this poll is relevant to Amateur Radio. Next thing, you will be soliciting funds here for (non-Ham related) charitable activities!
Posted by VE7ALQ on 2005-01-02

Speed of Relief Important

I was glad to see the United States, Australia, Japan and India going ahead as group with tsunami relief. Given their proximity and wealth, they will be a nice adjunct to other world support. At this point, the speed of the relief is just as important as the amount.

KG6AMW
Posted by KG6AMW on 2005-01-02

Spam

I have got so many charitable solicitations, telemarketers, etc. that I have given up ever answering my telephone. Now, if you phone me, you will get my answering machine, regardless of whether I am in my apartment or away. If you dare to call me while I am trying to sleep, you will not even make the answering machine, you will get a rude canned message courtesy of the phone company saying "This number is not accepting calls"
Posted by VE7ALQ on 2005-01-02

Are we doing ENOUGH???

I think we're doing more than enough. Every time something happens outside our country we offer aid and assistance. On 9-11, who offered us aid? Yes, we got assistance from Canada, but that was about all..... Plenty of "Oh, the horror.....We're sorry this happened to you.....Please accept our condolences....." but monetary and logistical aid? NO!

It also galls some of us that some of the other countries were saying we were stingy with our promises of aid--before the true and total extent of the disaster was even known.

What was it that that Canadian songwriter said a few years ago--something like this: I wouldn't blame them at all if, when they got their house in order they said to hel* with the rest of the world? I am NOT saying we should do that, but we should rethink our priorities and take care of our own before we think about other areas and non-disaster type aid to them.
Posted by K1CJS on 2005-01-02

As a point of fact the U.S. is realtively stingy with aid and assistance, other than military. Most European donate far larger relative shares of their GDP for aid and asssistance.For example , Norway donates almost 1% of its GDP whhile the U.S. donates about .14% of its GDP. This said, the question seems somewhat irrelevant to the purpose of this website.
Posted by KK7WN on 2005-01-02

DOING ENOUGH???

Are we? I think so. A lot of other nations were complaing that we haven't donated enough! Give me a break. Where was all the help and aid when we here in FL. were devastated by FOUR Hurricanes! NO ONE came to our aid. I submitted my answer to this survey, but I don't think that this is the forum for these types of questions. I don't want to get on my soap box, but again, where was all the help when we needed it?
Mark
AI4HO
Posted by KI4CRA on 2005-01-02

Stingy??

The US is relatively stingy? Could be that the numbers say so, but the US is always shipping aid here and there. We're donating 350 mil., but how about the transportation of the supplies there to the areas that need them? We are going to be doing most of that work since we've got the bigger amount of vehicles, both ground and air, to be doing it. Did you count that part in? How about the 'aid' that the European community is beefing about losing--our military presence and the personnel spending money over there to buy the necessities of life? Yep, I can see where the US can be seen to be stingy--until the whole picture is looked at.

And yes, this question has nothing to do with ham radio. I've submitted a few questions myself and have never seen anything about them, not even combined with other questions. In fact, most of the questions posted seem to be from one source, even counting combining questions. Makes you wonder sometimes, doesn't it?
Posted by K1CJS on 2005-01-02

Please limit questions to amateur radio. What happened is a terrible and unbelievable, but I think there are a lot of other avenues to address this issue.
73, Terry
Posted by KS9Y on 2005-01-02

When dealing with the issue of foreign aid, it is necessary to identify the type. For example, when it comes to Humanitarian assistance;food, medicine, shelter, etc. the U.S. provides about 36% of all aid. The European Union provides about 50%.Incidentally, In absolute dollar size, the GDP of the E.U. is about the same as the U.S.The majority of what is generically labled as U.S. foreign aid is military hard goods sold at dicounted prices to foreign governments.No doubt necessary in some cases but it comes back to bite us in others.
Posted by KK7WN on 2005-01-02

Why this question?

This question doesn't even belong here. But since it is, the USA doesn't owe the world anything and certainly not an apology. The USA is the most generous nation in the entirity of human history.
Posted by WA4DOU on 2005-01-02

Now is not the time to play the "mine is bigger than yours" game. Actually hats to all the individuals and private relief groups in the world who have given. Their donations and efforts easily surpasses the efforts of single country or groups of countries. The usual problem is getting the aid to where its most needed. Currently aid is piling up at ports and airfields. Each government should play off its strengths in this situation in order to relieve suffering. For the US, their strength is a blue water navy and extensive air force which will be tapped to deliver this aid.

KG6AMW
Posted by KG6AMW on 2005-01-02

Not here!

I thought eHAM was a web site about amateur radio. Why is this survey question here? This type of question belongs on the web sites of CNN or NBC or any political site. Please don't let eHAM get side tracked from radio to other non radio topics, there are plenty of other web sites to discuss if the U.S. is doing enough for the world!
Posted by N9VAO on 2005-01-02

ARE WE DOING ENOUGH

DOES IT BELONG HERE PROBABLY NOT. AS FAR AS THE QUESTION THE UNITED STATES IS BEARING THE BRUNT OF THE BLAME FOR NOT HELPING ENOUGH. THE POINT IS WE DO NOT EVEN HELP A LOT OF OUR OWN HERE AT HOME ENOUGH EITHER. BUT YOU DO NOT SEE A QUESTION ABOUT THAT HERE AT ALL. YES THE US IS DOING ITS SHARE.WE ARE NOT ISOLATED FROM THE WORLD ALTHOUGH AT TIMES I WISH WE WERE. WE COULD ALWAYS JUST LET THE MIDDLE EAST TAKE CARE OF THEMSELVES AND DURING THE COLD WAR YEARS WE COULD HAVE LET THE EUROPEANS STAND ON THEIR OWN TWO FEET AGAINST RUSSIA AND ITS ALLIES BUT WE DID NOT WE PUMPED MORE MONEY INTO THE EUROPEAN ECONOMY THAN INTO OUR OWN MAYBE WE SHOULD JUST BURY OUR HEADS IN THE SAND AN LET THEM SORT THEIR OWN PROBLEMS OUT.WHAT THANKS WILL WE GET ? ANSWER NONE OF COURSE OTHER THAN AMERICAN JOBS FLOODING THEIR SHORES AND YET MORE AMERICANS LOSING THEIR LIVELY HOODS TO THOSE WILLING TO WORK FOR LESS THAN POVERTY LEVELS.GOOD LUCK AMERICA WE ARE GOING TO NEED IT
Posted by AE4NR on 2005-01-02

The US has given more than any other country. We have provided ships and plane support also.

I hope that our money dosn't go thru the UN or else they may steal this money like they stole the food for oil money.
Posted by OLDFART13 on 2005-01-02

Americia Helping Out:

Sure we're giving enough. Why though are some of our veterans living in cardboard boxes on the streets homeless. We can give millions to others, we also need to take care of "our own". Just my two cents.
Happy New Year,
WR8D
Posted by WR8D on 2005-01-02

we are doing PLENTY

the USA is doing more than it's fair share. There are still USA Citizens that need assistance from the hurricanes.

Perhaps ole Kofi ought to take some of his hush money that he got from Saddam, and send it to the needy in Asia.
Posted by OBSERVER11 on 2005-01-02

What if ...

Wondering what other countries of the world would do for U.S. if West Coast had been hit by tsunami ???
Posted by N9AVY on 2005-01-02

Why this Question?

I must be losing my mind because this particular question has NOTHING to do with ham radio! Even in the description of the survey page, it only mentions questions for us to stir over about AMATEUR RADIO. This is starting to bring politics into places it dosen't belong. I would hope most of you will agree with me?

73
Andy
Posted by KC2GOW on 2005-01-01

Agree with KC2GOW

This question should not be in this survey. What's the point, and what are the results supposed to mean? For instance, if 90 percent of US hams answer yes, and 90 percent of hams from other countries say no, what do the resulting stats mean, if anything? DELETE this question now.
Posted by WB4M on 2005-01-01